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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
    So Open University then? Or do they do a poly nowadays as well?
    There are no polys. The phrase you are looking for is 'post-92'.

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    There are no polys. The phrase you are looking for is 'post-92'.
    Sure there are, they just call them really sh1t universities nowadays, thanks to the genius of Labour and Tony Blair.

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
    Sure there are, they just call them really sh1t universities nowadays, thanks to the genius of Labour and Tony Blair.
    Nice try, but the term post 92 is not an accident. All polytechnics became universities under John Major. Nothing to do with Mr Blair or the Labour Party.

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Nice try, but the term post 92 is not an accident. All polytechnics became universities under John Major. Nothing to do with Mr Blair or the Labour Party.
    Major was almost as bad a limp socialist as Cameron and, God help us, Comrade May.

    I despair.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    Major was almost as bad a limp socialist as Cameron and, God help us, Comrade May.

    I despair.
    Suffered through our own sense of snobbery and class, I'm afraid. The model of universities vs applied science universities works very well in Europe. Here the polys were simply viewed as poor relations of universities.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Suffered through our own sense of snobbery and class, I'm afraid. The model of universities vs applied science universities works very well in Europe. Here the polys were simply viewed as poor relations of universities.
    You mean it came as a surprise to everyone that Britons are not, in fact, Europeans? My word.

    Anyway, it doesn't work "very well in Europe". Far from it. And the only reason your sort says such things is because you know you speak French and German, for example, at least as poorly as anyone likely to be listening so you imagine you can get away with it. By precisely the same token, the French and the Germans will tell you the thing works "very well" in the United Kingdom.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Nice try, but the term post 92 is not an accident. All polytechnics became universities under John Major. Nothing to do with Mr Blair or the Labour Party.
    Well, I'll admit that my modern English history is limited to post 95 when I arrived. And even that isn't very good.

    But it was Blair that wanted to get the post secondary education numbers up to 50% wasn't it? And didn't he dumb down A levels and let pretty much every institution call themselves a university in order to do that?

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
    Well, I'll admit that my modern English history is limited to post 95 when I arrived. And even that isn't very good.

    But it was Blair that wanted to get the post secondary education numbers up to 50% wasn't it? And didn't he dumb down A levels and let pretty much every institution call themselves a university in order to do that?
    Yes, yes and no, in that order. In fact it is the Tories again now opening the route to university status for the private sector.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    Yes, yes and no, in that order. In fact it is the Tories again now opening the route to university status for the private sector.
    So the next logical question is that if Blair dumbed down A levels to get another 35% of students into university (assuming the UK used to have 15% of students in university like most countries) without increasing the number of universities, where did he expect the 35% to go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by World's End Stella View Post
    So the next logical question is that if Blair dumbed down A levels to get another 35% of students into university (assuming the UK used to have 15% of students in university like most countries) without increasing the number of universities, where did he expect the 35% to go?
    Aha! You are labouring under the old notion that only a certain number of students were qualified to go to university and that those universities could only cope with that number. Wildly untrue.

    Entry requirements were never set at the level required to be able to do well on the course. They were set high to attract the best students to fill the limited number of places available because the government would only pay for so many. Thus free tuition actually worked as a middle class subsidy, all of us paying for the education of a small number of mostly middle class kids.

    What Blair did was introduce a tuition fee at 3 grand. Immediately there were more places, lower entry requirements and plenty of space at our universities with hundreds of thousands of perfectly well qualified kids suddenly given an opportunity.

    Paradise

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