:clap: The Boy Owen got there first.

[World's End Stella]

You lot are looking for trouble where it doesn't exist.

I'm no fan of the boy Jones, but there is really nothing wrong with that article at all.

[Sir C]

You lot are looking for trouble where it doesn't exist.

I'm no fan of the boy Jones, but there is really nothing wrong with that article at all.

It is a crock of warped, diversionary shít.

"And let’s be mindful that whatever twisted motive was used to rationalise slaughtering laughing teenagers and children..."

I think we know what the twisted motive was. We're just not allowed to say it; instead, we must celebrate Manchester's 'diversity'.

[World's End Stella]

It is a crock of warped, diversionary shít.

"And let’s be mindful that whatever twisted motive was used to rationalise slaughtering laughing teenagers and children..."

I think we know what the twisted motive was. We're just not allowed to say it; instead, we must celebrate Manchester's 'diversity'.

I would object if he had suggested that it was wrong in any way to associate this sort of tragedy with our Muslim communities or Islam generally, something I think he has suggested in the past.

He hasn't done that in this case and has provided a reasonable view of the attacker, the attacker's motives, the city and how it has responded.

[Monty92]

You lot are looking for trouble where it doesn't exist.

I'm no fan of the boy Jones, but there is really nothing wrong with that article at all.

There's something wrong in the very first sentence.

"The hatred that drives someone to detonate themselves in a crowd of children and teenagers at a concert is impossible to reason with, to quantify, to properly understand"

It is not in any sense impossible to understand. To do what the attacker did is the most logical, rational act that a practicing, dutiful Muslim could ever commit.

[World's End Stella]

There's something wrong in the very first sentence.

"The hatred that drives someone to detonate themselves in a crowd of children and teenagers at a concert is impossible to reason with, to quantify, to properly understand"

It is not in any sense impossible to understand. To do what the attacker did is the most logical, rational act that a practicing, dutiful Muslim could ever commit.

Rather surprising that we don't have a lot more of these attacks then, isn't it? What with there being 2.6 million people in this country who, in your view, practice a religion which encourages it.

The Islamic nutters take a very narrow, superficial view of Islam and what it means and, ironically, you seem to be doing the same thing.

[Monty92]

Rather surprising that we don't have a lot more of these attacks then, isn't it? What with there being 2.6 million people in this country who, in your view, practice a religion which encourages it.

The Islamic nutters take a very narrow, superficial view of Islam and what it means and, ironically, you seem to be doing the same thing.

You're denying that there are endless verses in the Quran and its associated texts that explictely call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule?

Thankfully, the overwhelming majority of Muslims choose to uphold a sanitised, distorted version of Islam - otherwise we'd be in even bigger trouble.

[World's End Stella]

You're denying that there are endless verses in the Quran and its associated texts that explictely call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule?

Thankfully, the overwhelming majority of Muslims choose to uphold a sanitised, distorted version of Islam - otherwise we'd be in even bigger trouble.

No, I'm saying that like any religion Islam has a holy book that is filled with contradiction and vagaries which therefore requires its followers to decide, to some extent, what they wish to believe and what they do not, how to act and how not to act.

The nutters take one view, the overwhelming majority take another. Quite why you would deem the version that the overwhelming majority take to be the distorted version I have no idea.

Unless you're a vulture, of course.

[Peter]

You're denying that there are endless verses in the Quran and its associated texts that explictely call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule?

Thankfully, the overwhelming majority of Muslims choose to uphold a sanitised, distorted version of Islam - otherwise we'd be in even bigger trouble.

Yet your previous message suggested that all muslims want to do this and any that don't are not proper muslims.

Going on to explain that the only true religion is found in the verbatim acceptance of original script is a very childish and rather idiotic attempt to disguise the fact that you wrote a deliberately inflammatory message- which is also rather childish.

Poor form....expect better.

[Monty92]

Yet your previous message suggested that all muslims want to do this and any that don't are not proper muslims.

Going on to explain that the only true religion is found in the verbatim acceptance of original script is a very childish and rather idiotic attempt to disguise the fact that you wrote a deliberately inflammatory message- which is also rather childish.

Poor form....expect better.

I did not in any sense suggest that all muslims want to do this. I said that to do so is the most logical, rational course of action for a practicing, dutiful Muslim. This is because the book that they believe is the immutable word of God impels them to do so. To not do so is simply inconsistent with what they otherwise claim.

[Peter]

I did not in any sense suggest that all muslims want to do this. I said that to do so is the most logical, rational course of action for a practicing, dutiful Muslim. This is because the book that they believe is the immutable word of God impels them to do so. To not do so is simply inconsistent with what they otherwise claim.

So all practicing, dutiful muslims want to do it, or certainly should want to? And any that don't are not dutiful muslims? Or just not being rational?