:clap: The Boy Owen got there first.

[World's End Stella]

Not quite. There are objective truths to be found in observable, empirical science. Things we know make life better for humans. Of course, science is always open to refutation (unlike religion, and particularly Islam).

Scientists have made errors in empirical, observable science as well, Monty. Ultimately, people with your belief set put the same amount of faith in the human mind that those who hold religious beliefs put in their chosen religion.

Despite the fact that there is overwhelming evidence of the limitations of the human mind. Remarkable really. Or, to put it another way, astonishingly arrogant and superficial.

[Monty92]

Scientists have made errors in empirical, observable science as well, Monty. Ultimately, people with your belief set put the same amount of faith in the human mind that those who hold religious beliefs put in their chosen religion.

Despite the fact that there is overwhelming evidence of the limitations of the human mind. Remarkable really. Or, to put it another way, astonishingly arrogant and superficial.

I put no more faith in the human mind than you do when you have an x-ray and get told that that headache you've been experiencing is not in fact a brain tumur. The reason you breath a massive sigh of relief and walk home with a skip in your step is because you put the same amount of faith in the human mind that those who hold religious beliefs put in their chosen religion.

[Peter]

I put no more faith in the human mind than you do when you have an x-ray and get told that that headache you've been experiencing is not in fact a brain tumur. The reason you breath a massive sigh of relief and walk home with a skip in your step is because you put the same amount of faith in the human mind that those who hold religious beliefs put in their chosen religion.

Not to mention a degree of faith in the NHS, a true test for the professed believer.

[World's End Stella]

I put no more faith in the human mind than you do when you have an x-ray and get told that that headache you've been experiencing is not in fact a brain tumur. The reason you breath a massive sigh of relief and walk home with a skip in your step is because you put the same amount of faith in the human mind that those who hold religious beliefs put in their chosen religion.

I've never said otherwise. The difference between us is that I don't consider people who place their faith in religion to be anymore or less stupid, deranged or mentally ill than those who don't. It is that, that is arrogant and superficial.

[Monty92]

I've never said otherwise. The difference between us is that I don't consider people who place their faith in religion to be anymore or less stupid, deranged or mentally ill than those who don't. It is that, that is arrogant and superficial.

But we can, objectively, be far more certain that the Quran was written by a common-or-garden terrestrial being than that it was written by a bloke who flew to the moon on a horse.

Therefore, even if you consider they both derive from faith, it follows that we rightly consider those who believe the latter to be more stupid than those who believe the former. Because of the levels of probability at play.