4th place gone

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

I'm usually quite positive but it's over....done and dusted...fat lady has song....fininto....

5th place and we've only got ourselves to blame.

Wenger for not implementing the 3-4-3 sooner (he said had been toying with the idea 2 months before)

Players for genuinely being fkin uselss for all those games...Watford at home, West Brom away, Palace away....no heart, no desire, they just didn't care and our fans were right to slaughter them at Palace.

One thing though...when Wenger started at the club he inherited a top class defence and we were playing in the UEFA Cup.

Now 2 decades on it's happening again...

Cech, Bellerin, Holding, Mustafi, Kos and Monreal are top class in the 3-4-3 system and it's the vagaries of the Europa League for us.

I wouldn't mind if he stays as long as he keeps building on what we've achieved the last few games with this system but man....I wouldn't say no to Simeone or Allegri right now.

3-4-3 has made very little difference and we got the same results we probably would have got in the old formation. We lost to Spurs and looked abject in a 3-4-3. We are too easy to play against when we do not have the ball while not having enough presence further up the pitch to do enough damage often enough, particularly against the better teams.

[Ash]

3-4-3 has made very little difference and we got the same results we probably would have got in the old formation.

Yes, because we usually beat Mourinho then win at Southampton and Stoke.

[Alberto Balsam Rodriguez]

Yes, because we usually beat Mourinho then win at Southampton and Stoke.

Southampton and Stoke had nothing to play for and ManU made wholesale changes.

City, Middlesboro and Spurs were the games to really take stock of this new formation.

[Peter]

Southampton and Stoke had nothing to play for and ManU made wholesale changes.

City, Middlesboro and Spurs were the games to really take stock of this new formation.

Middlesboro was the first time we used it and we won. We beat City. Spurs would have beaten us if we had had 12 men, the formation wasn't going to change that.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

3-4-3 has made very little difference and we got the same results we probably would have got in the old formation. We lost to Spurs and looked abject in a 3-4-3. We are too easy to play against when we do not have the ball while not having enough presence further up the pitch to do enough damage often enough, particularly against the better teams.

Disagree. While we've looked shaky in defense at times i can't remember us being caught on the counter in this formation since it was implemented, which was happening all too often with the other one.

[Pat Vegas]

Disagree. While we've looked shaky in defense at times i can't remember us being caught on the counter in this formation since it was implemented, which was happening all too often with the other one.

I am curious to see how it will work against Chelsea.

Perhaps we will catch each other out. they have had more time using it though.

penalties it is then.