It's a bit disappointing that old Googly-eyes jacked it in when things went wrong.

[redgunamo]

This is why paternal leave is a bad idea. Real men aren't built for the care of tiny children. We don't have the maternal instinct that allows women to overlook the fact that small children are irritating little fückpigs about 90% of the time.

Right. Women have a natural patience which allows them to take all that in their stride. And children need their mother's care and attention until they are about four or five anyway. In fact, it's actually the one area sex/gender matter.

But please don't tell the women's lib people I said that.

[World's End Stella]

Right. Women have a natural patience which allows them to take all that in their stride. And children need their mother's care and attention until they are about four or five anyway. In fact, it's actually the one area sex/gender matter.

But please don't tell the women's lib people I said that.

Disagree, red. I loved taking care of my two when they were toddlers. Greatest things in the world are toddlers.

Spend the day taking care of them, playing with them, feeding them, putting them to bed, then a takeaway in front of the telly with Spanish football on.

Life doesn't get any better than that.

[redgunamo]

Disagree, red. I loved taking care of my two when they were toddlers. Greatest things in the world are toddlers.

Spend the day taking care of them, playing with them, feeding them, putting them to bed, then a takeaway in front of the telly with Spanish football on.

Life doesn't get any better than that.

It's not about what anybody likes though, is it. It's about what's right, what works.

The style I described has survived the centuries, the generations; your way will be lucky to survive *you*.

[World's End Stella]

It's not about what anybody likes though, is it. It's about what's right, what works.

The style I described has survived the centuries, the generations; your way will be lucky to survive *you*.

Oh, I don't know. If you could track the amount of time the average father spends taking care of his children over the years I'm pretty sure you would find a consistent and steadily increasing trend which started around the 50s and is alive and well even today.

And as things seem to keep getting better, it feels like that is a good thing that will continue. See BGS.

[redgunamo]

Oh, I don't know. If you could track the amount of time the average father spends taking care of his children over the years I'm pretty sure you would find a consistent and steadily increasing trend which started around the 50s and is alive and well even today.

And as things seem to keep getting better, it feels like that is a good thing that will continue. See BGS.

You just need to study European birth rate trends now

[World's End Stella]

You just need to study European birth rate trends now

I would assume that like most of the developed world, they are declining.

But like fathers being more active in the raising of their children, I see this as a (mostly) good thing.

[redgunamo]

I would assume that like most of the developed world, they are declining.

But like father's being more active in the raising of their children, I see this as a (mostly) good thing.

Then you'd be correct, twice; it's such a good thing that fewer and fewer people are choosing to do it