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    Do people not realise that every time Trump is thwarted by judges his grip on power

    will strengthen as all it will serve to do is embolden his support base?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty92 View Post
    will strengthen as all it will serve to do is embolden his support base?
    Not really - it may embolden his support base but it won't make it grow particularly and every time he attacks one of the pillars of the establishment and threatens their sacred constitution, he alienates more and more of the conservative base that he still needed to elect him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Not really - it may embolden his support base but it won't make it grow particularly and every time he attacks one of the pillars of the establishment and threatens their sacred constitution, he alienates more and more of the conservative base that he still needed to elect him
    That's not borne out by polling. In fact, the only thing he does that his base really don't like is his tweeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    That's not borne out by polling. In fact, the only thing he does that his base really don't like is his tweeting.
    I strongly suspect they are just *saying* that though.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    That's not borne out by polling. In fact, the only thing he does that his base really don't like is his tweeting.
    And suddenly polling can be trusted

    Are you talking popularity polls? They are seeing some good economic figures at the moment - always going to help a President even though they are the square root of **** all to do with any policies he has implemented

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    And suddenly polling can be trusted

    Are you talking popularity polls? They are seeing some good economic figures at the moment - always going to help a President even though they are the square root of **** all to do with any policies he has implemented
    No, this was a poll of his supporters' view of him. I think you're making the mistake of thinking in Democrat/Republican terms. Trump's not a Republican, he's an independent who got in on the Republican ticket. His supporters like his 'outsider' status and actively want to see him attacking pillars of the establishment. Every perceived 'insider' who is seen to thwart him actually makes him stronger because it vindicates his narrative of 'the swamp' trying to protect itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    No, this was a poll of his supporters' view of him. I think you're making the mistake of thinking in Democrat/Republican terms. Trump's not a Republican, he's an independent who got in on the Republican ticket. His supporters like his 'outsider' status and actively want to see him attacking pillars of the establishment. Every perceived 'insider' who is seen to thwart him actually makes him stronger because it vindicates his narrative of 'the swamp' trying to protect itself.
    Right. And even more importantly, *this* is his wife and C-Span have their Nielsen share to worry about

    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    No, this was a poll of his supporters' view of him. I think you're making the mistake of thinking in Democrat/Republican terms. Trump's not a Republican, he's an independent who got in on the Republican ticket. His supporters like his 'outsider' status and actively want to see him attacking pillars of the establishment. Every perceived 'insider' who is seen to thwart him actually makes him stronger because it vindicates his narrative of 'the swamp' trying to protect itself.
    So he is polling well among his own supporters?

    This does not overly surprise or concern me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    No, this was a poll of his supporters' view of him. I think you're making the mistake of thinking in Democrat/Republican terms. Trump's not a Republican, he's an independent who got in on the Republican ticket. His supporters like his 'outsider' status and actively want to see him attacking pillars of the establishment. Every perceived 'insider' who is seen to thwart him actually makes him stronger because it vindicates his narrative of 'the swamp' trying to protect itself.
    Yes - you're right I am thinking in terms of Republican/Democrats - and agree with what you are saying in terms of his supporter base. But he needs more than that supporter base, I would say, to strengthen his grip on power, which was Monty's assertion. He has undoubtedly given a bloody nose to the establishment but he hasn't knocked it out. I was thinking in terms of a potentially increasingly fractious relationship with Congress and the damage that will eventually do to him. His base will stay with him whatever.

    Mind you, he's proved me utterly wrong about most things over the past two years (and a fair few others), so we'll see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Not really - it may embolden his support base but it won't make it grow particularly and every time he attacks one of the pillars of the establishment and threatens their sacred constitution, he alienates more and more of the conservative base that he still needed to elect him
    He never had their love or support anyway. But if it's between him and a Clinton or Clinton-clone, they will hold their noses and back him. As we just saw during his election.

    They need *him*, if anything.
    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

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