Now THIS is the definition of true solidarity with Muslim women

[Sir C]

Are you saying the Germans have demonstrated that they have learnt to live in a civilized manner?

Well, for a start they probably refrain from ghastly Americanisms :civilization be damned:

Anyway. Beer, Wurst, Schweinshaxe. Sounds pretty civilised.

[Luis Anaconda]

American spelling, la?

******* autocorrect. Which is weird as I just copied and pasted Sir C's line

[Ash]

Like we did with Germany and Japan, you mean?

Sort the problem. Kill the baddies. Once the local population has demonstrated that they have learnt to live in a civilised manner, allow them to elect their own leaders.

Attempting to depict every conflict as an equivalent of WW2 is basically the same tactic as those who call everyone to their right as 'fascist'. Godwinisation.

And 'baddies'. Who were the baddies on the Eastern Front?

[Burney]

Well, for a start they probably refrain from ghastly Americanisms :civilization be damned:

Anyway. Beer, Wurst, Schweinshaxe. Sounds pretty civilised.

Yes, but they still merit watching, I think. You can't cause the deaths of 100 million people in the space of 30-odd years and get away with it because you have nice pork products.

[Burney]

Attempting to depict every conflict as an equivalent of WW2 is basically the same tactic as those who call everyone to their right as 'fascist'. Godwinisation.

And 'baddies'. Who were the baddies on the Eastern Front?

They were all baddies. That's why it's a shame the US didn't nuke Russia when it had the chance.

[Ash]

Are you denying that a world run according to western ideals, values, laws and mores would be a better place?

So I'll take that as a yes, then.

Though, are these the same Western ideals that you rail against all the time as 70 years of socialism?

[Sir C]

Yes, but they still merit watching, I think. You can't cause the deaths of 100 million people in the space of 30-odd years and get away with it because you have nice pork products.

I'm relatively sanguine at the moment; they have achieved their long term goal of European hegemony via the economic route and may be sated on the misery of Greek and Italian peasants for a while.

Eventually, of course, they will look east; that is inevitable. But I'm hopeful it will take a few years yet.

[Sir C]

Attempting to depict every conflict as an equivalent of WW2 is basically the same tactic as those who call everyone to their right as 'fascist'. Godwinisation.

And 'baddies'. Who were the baddies on the Eastern Front?

The baddies are the chaps doing things you don't want them to do shrug:

[Burney]

So I'll take that as a yes, then.

Though, are these the same Western ideals that you rail against all the time as 70 years of socialism?

And I will take that as a 'no' in answer to my question.

No. I mean the good ones that socialism has tried and failed to destroy - rule of law, freedom of speech, guaranteed property rights, equality before the law, that sort of thing.

[Ash]

They were all baddies. That's why it's a shame the US didn't nuke Russia when it had the chance.

Don't worry, much of the US political class is still hoping to do this, it seems.