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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    I'm relatively sanguine at the moment; they have achieved their long term goal of European hegemony via the economic route and may be sated on the misery of Greek and Italian peasants for a while.

    Eventually, of course, they will look east; that is inevitable. But I'm hopeful it will take a few years yet.
    I don't think Ivan will ever take his eye off that particular ball again.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    Don't worry, much of the US political class is still hoping to do this, it seems.
    Yeah, but back then they had the chance to put Stalin back in his box with no danger of nuclear retribution. Missed opportunity imo. Think of all the misery it could have spared the people of the Soviet Bloc.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    I don't think Ivan will ever take his eye off that particular ball again.
    Ivan is skint though, and will be getting skinter as reliance on his gas diminshes.

    Anyway, there's Poland and Czecho and so on to be gobbled into Fuhrerin Merkel's maw first, as a sort of appetiser.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    Ivan is skint though, and will be getting skinter as reliance on his gas diminshes.

    Anyway, there's Poland and Czecho and so on to be gobbled into Fuhrerin Merkel's maw first, as a sort of appetiser.
    True. At the end of the day, Russia is just remarkably shît at everything, isn't it? Autocracy was a failure, communism was a failure and now they've even failed at capitalist democracy. They are ultimately rubbish.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    True. At the end of the day, Russia is just remarkably shît at everything, isn't it? Autocracy was a failure, communism was a failure and now they've even failed at capitalist democracy. They are ultimately rubbish.
    A simple rule; draw a line connecting Hamburg to Stuttgart and then carry it on down to Rome. Anywehere east of this line is barbarous territory populated by savages.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    A simple rule; draw a line connecting Hamburg to Stuttgart and then carry it on down to Rome. Anywehere east of this line is barbarous territory populated by savages.
    That is pretty much what the Romans did, to be fair. Sharp lads, those.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir C View Post
    A simple rule; draw a line connecting Hamburg to Stuttgart and then carry it on down to Rome. Anywehere east of this line is barbarous territory populated by savages.
    Hang on - Prague has a Marks & Spencer food store. Isn't that the very definition of civilisation?

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda View Post
    Hang on - Prague has a Marks & Spencer food store. Isn't that the very definition of civilisation?
    Obviously a Roman Empire leftover

    "Plenty of strikers can score goals," he said, gesturing to the famous old stands casting shadows around us.

    "But a lot have found it difficult wearing the number 9 shirt for The Arsenal."

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Burney View Post
    And I will take that as a 'no' in answer to my question.

    No. I mean the good ones that socialism has tried and failed to destroy - rule of law, freedom of speech, guaranteed property rights, equality before the law, that sort of thing.
    Ah, so before we embark upon another era of colonialism we have to agree exactly which values we will be imposing on the shattered ruins of the countries and peoples we are going to destroy. Actually I would answer 'yes' to your question, for my version of western values, which I would roll back to broad enlightenment values, (themselves subject to discussion, of course) but I expect there would be substantial overlap with yours.

    Where our values do not overlap, for example, is on the whole business of kicking someone's head in until they do what they're told. See above: beams, eyes, specks etc.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    Ah, so before we embark upon another era of colonialism we have to agree exactly which values we will be imposing on the shattered ruins of the countries and peoples we are going to destroy. Actually I would answer 'yes' to your question, for my version of western values, which I would roll back to broad enlightenment values, (themselves subject to discussion, of course) but I expect there would be substantial overlap with yours.

    Where our values do not overlap, for example, is on the whole business of kicking someone's head in until they know how to behave. See above: beams, eyes, specks etc.
    So you don't believe in the rule of law, then?

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