Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
Right, I get that. My point was more that there seems to be a general assumption that they are capable of better were it not for Wenger and his general silliness. What if this is actually the summit of what they are capable of and without Wenger we are useless?

I haven't seen enough of Mustafi or Xhaka but what I have seen varies from great to terrible. Do you think they are any good?
Well Mustafi was doing alright until the Watford game as he was unbeaten. From a technical stand point I don't know.