I must say that, while I have huge sympathy for any uncertainty foreign nationals feel at the moment (although we're obviously not going to kick them out, but even the merest hint of a possibility can't be much fun), there really wasn't a choice other than to vote that way.
Pretty much anyone else moaning can fûck right off, though.
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Yes people really should just know their place and quietly accept everything forced upon themOriginally Posted by Burney
You must be quite unhappy though - Corbyn surely has shot his foot, knees, *******s and all off. Was looking on Twitter as that tweet came up. These days it takes a lot to shock but that really was a piece of such spectacular ineptitude he must really want to get out of the job
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Beat me to that one. Amazing the way Burney will rail against things the government has done that he disagrees with but when people protest a decision they dislike they should just 'f*ck right off' and accept it.Yes people really should just know their place and quietly accept everything forced upon them
Oh, the protesting didn't bother me in the least (although here's a hint: next time try protesting before the referendum rather than afterwards).
No, my issue is with people who lose a battle comprehensively and then simply keep banging on about why they should have won it really and how it's not fair and everyone else is horrible except them. It's the childishness I dislike - the petulant refusal to accept the world as it is rather than as they want it to be. Adult argument about the way forward is fine, but simply pissing and bitching about reality and wallowing in hysterical pessimistic fantasy is just tiresome.
The ones that i don't understand are those that want to see the negotiations fail miserably and the UK end up with a terrible deal. Like the kid who takes his ball home when he loses.Oh, the protesting didn't bother me in the least (although here's a hint: next time try protesting before the referendum rather than afterwards
No, my issue is with people who lose a battle comprehensively and then simply keep banging on about why they should have won it really and how it's not fair and everyone else is horrible except them. It's the childishness I dislike - the petulant refusal to accept the world as it is rather than as they want it to be. Adult argument about the way forward is fine, but simply pissing and bitching about reality and wallowing in hysterical pessimistic fantasy is just tiresome.
Last edited by Billy Goat Sverige; 02-09-2017 at 10:31 AM.
Oh, yes. They're the really weird ones. People who tell you they voted Remain because they wanted the best for the UK and then in the next breath tell you they want to see the country fûcked just so they can be vindicated.
Mind you, that group essentially includes the First Minister of Scotland, who is in the bizarre position of pretty explicitly wanting her country's economy to tank so she can win another Independence referendum. I'd have thought that was a conflict of interests, but there you go.
or people who want Arsenal to lose so Arsene will go
Surely at some point a degree of dignified acceptance of the result is required, though? You don't have to like it, but it is happening, you're not changing it and perhaps it might be time to get on with things rather than sitting around calling everyone else racist Little Englanders and telling us all how ashamed you are to be British because you didn't get your way, which is just a bit fûcking tiresome and childish, but seems to be the default position today (not talking about you, btw).Yes people really should just know their place and quietly accept everything forced upon them
You must be quite unhappy though - Corbyn surely has shot his foot, knees, *******s and all off. Was looking on Twitter as that tweet came up. These days it takes a lot to shock but that really was a piece of such spectacular ineptitude he must really want to get out of the jon
As to Corbyn, he's an unbelievable fûck-up machine, isn't he? Apart from that tweet, I also love his appalling timing as he managed to have his most effective and damaging PMQs on the same day that it was bound to end up being ignored on the news agenda.
I think there is a serious worry for the Tories that he might actually go, but if he didn't go after the referendum, why would he go now?
I do think there is a distinction between people who have valid points to make (still) and moaning, but yes, the overall tone of the latter has undoubtedly been harmful when it gives your opponents an easy target to attack and clouds the issues - and while it annoys me intensely, the Remoaners tag was a clever piece of jargon.Surely at some point a degree of dignified acceptance of the result is required, though? You don't have to like it, but it is happening, you're not changing it and perhaps it might be time to get on with things rather than sitting around calling everyone else racist Little Englanders and telling us all how ashamed you are to be British because you didn't get your way, which is just a bit fûcking tiresome and childish, but seems to be the default position today (not talking about you, btw).
As to Corbyn, he's an unbelievable fûck-up machine, isn't he? Apart from that tweet, I also love his appalling timing as he managed to have his most effective and damaging PMQs on the same day that it was bound to end up being ignored on the news agenda.
I think there is a serious worry for the Tories that he might actually go, but if he didn't go after the referendum, why would he go now?
Corbyn is quite amazing - Labour must realise it is damage limitation time. The next election is a formality so actually keeping him is their best bet then a new leader can come in relatively untarnished
I agree. Since the referendum, a lot of people on the Remain side has badly damaged its image with spite, insults, snobbery and sheer bloody arrogance. It's made it very hard to hear the sensible arguments being put forward over the clamour of 'RACISTS!', insults about the elderly, naked contempt for the working class and absurd talk about 'far right Tory government'. All that's achieved is to harden the resolve of Leavers to stick two fingers up.
Thon Clive Lewis fella is positioning himself quite nicely. An 'honourable' rebellion and resignation means he won't be seen as a traitor by the left, but away from the front bench he can generate support on the right and centre of the party. Timing, though, will be everything. I don't think another leadership challenge is feasible and the left will do anything to cling to power even if it means reanimating Corbyn's corpse, so yes I think the 2020 election is the only hope.
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