Clearly I am not very knowledgeable of politics.

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

I used to spend time arguing with Corbyn supporters about the fact that he's blatantly unelectable and have realised that it's a complete waste of time.
They split into several groups:
There's the deluded ones who think he's actually vastly popular, will win an election and that 'the establishment' are terrified of him and the media are conspiring to keep his popularity a secret.
Then there are the ideological purists who know he won't win, but regard that as unimportant next to the reality of having 'a real socialist' back in charge of Labour.
Then there are the well-meaning ones who say things like 'he's an honest politician' and 'he's not playing the Westminster game'. I think this lot are a sub-section of the ideological purists in that I don't think they think he can win an election either, but like the idea of having a 'nice chap' to vote for.

the Michael Foot de nos jours. Politics, especially these days, isn't for 'nice' people

[Burney]

the Michael Foot de nos jours. Politics, especially these days, isn't for 'nice' people

Never was. You can't trust a nice person. God knows what they might do.

[Luis Anaconda]

I used to spend time arguing with Corbyn supporters about the fact that he's blatantly unelectable and have realised that it's a complete waste of time.
They split into several groups:
There's the deluded ones who think he's actually vastly popular, will win an election and that 'the establishment' are terrified of him and the media are conspiring to keep his popularity a secret.
Then there are the ideological purists who know he won't win, but regard that as unimportant next to the reality of having 'a real socialist' back in charge of Labour.
Then there are the well-meaning ones who say things like 'he's an honest politician' and 'he's not playing the Westminster game'. I think this lot are a sub-section of the ideological purists in that I don't think they think he can win an election either, but like the idea of having a 'nice chap' to vote for.

Yes - very much the former I can't get my head around. For the latter, if he was actually making a difference as an opposition leader, it is understandable. Unfortunately, he's just rubbish

[Burney]

Yes - very much the former I can't get my head around. For the latter, if he was actually making a difference as an opposition leader, it is understandable. Unfortunately, he's just rubbish

Oh, he's making a difference alright. He's making what should be the most difficult period the Tories have had in office since the repeal of the Corn Laws relatively easy.

[Luis Anaconda]

Oh, he's making a difference alright. He's making what should be the most difficult period the Tories have had in office since the repeal of the Corn Laws relatively easy.

yes. I could have phrased that better. It's pitiful really. Almost makes you look back on Neil Kinnock with a nostalgic wistfulness

[Burney]

yes. I could have phrased that better. It's pitiful really. Almost makes you look back on Neil Kinnock with a nostalgic wistfulness

Well at least Kinnock - although a disastrous politician in electoral terms - did actually do something useful by hauling his party back from the brink into something that could conceivably be elected. Corbyn, on the other hand, seems to be reading that instruction manual in reverse.

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

the Michael Foot de nos jours. Politics, especially these days, isn't for 'nice' people

No. Foot was an intellectual heavyweight. President of the Oxford Union, a FRSL, co-author of the Guilty Men pamphlet in the war that blamed the Tories for appeasement etc.

Corbyn was privately educated yet got only 2 Es at a-level and was thrown off his course in Trade Union Studies at PNL.

Oxford Union pres vs PNL fail. Slightly different.

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

No. Foot was an intellectual heavyweight. President of the Oxford Union, a FRSL, co-author of the Guilty Men pamphlet in the war that blamed the Tories for appeasement etc.

Corbyn was privately educated yet got only 2 Es at a-level and was thrown off his course in Trade Union Studies at PNL.

Oxford Union pres vs PNL fail. Slightly different.

Actually, you've completely missed my point - I simply meant in terms of nice guy but unelectable...

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Actually, you've completely missed my point - I simply meant in terms of nice guy but unelectable...

Don't wish to be a pain, but I don't agree with that, either.

Foot was a nice chap. Jezza is a semi-literate, Stalinist chimp.

Put it this way. One you'd be happy with as your kid's god-parent. The other you'd let know where near them.

[Luis Anaconda]

Don't wish to be a pain, but I don't agree with that, either.

Foot was a nice chap. Jezza is a semi-literate, Stalinist chimp.

Put it this way. One you'd be happy with as your kid's god-parent. The other you'd let know where near them.

tbf I'd probably go with the one who hasn't been dead for seven years. Hard to see Foot being that useful on the babysitting front