Why in the argument that “Brexiteers didn’t know what they were voting for” not being

[Ash]

You mean the Greek people who consistently avoid paying tax and who voted for a series of governments who established a civil service whose compensation, including exorbitant pension benefits, the government could not possibly afford shouldn't take the overwhelming majority of the blame for the collapse of the Greek economy?

Blimey.

A report from International Monetary Fund’s Independent Evaluation Office in July 2016 blamed the troika of IMF, ECB and European Commision for the bailout with no debt relief, shrinking the Greek economy by 30% in six years.

As the telegraph notes, "At root was a failure to grasp the elemental point that currency unions with no treasury or political union to back them up are inherently vulnerable to debt crises. States facing a shock no longer have sovereign tools to defend themselves. Devaluation risk is switched into bankruptcy risk."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...ses-for-the-i/

The report said "There were concerns that such a credit event could spread to other members of the euro area, and more widely to a fragile global economy" - an admission of the failure of the Eurozone, which Greece was sacrificed to save.

[redgunamo]

Surely that is rather the point of voting for MP's.....I vote for them so that I don't have make decisions that I don't really understand

I voted out but I was rather under the impression there was a plan.....I feel a little let down on that front

The whole point of MPs is that they don't really understand these things either though

[redgunamo]

Jesus ****ing Christ, still whingeing about Brexit.

You have voted, one side won. Just get on with it.

Good afternoon, SW. Is the pub on fire?

[World's End Stella]

A report from International Monetary Fund’s Independent Evaluation Office in July 2016 blamed the troika of IMF, ECB and European Commision for the bailout with no debt relief, shrinking the Greek economy by 30% in six years.

As the telegraph notes, "At root was a failure to grasp the elemental point that currency unions with no treasury or political union to back them up are inherently vulnerable to debt crises. States facing a shock no longer have sovereign tools to defend themselves. Devaluation risk is switched into bankruptcy risk."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...ses-for-the-i/

The report said "There were concerns that such a credit event could spread to other members of the euro area, and more widely to a fragile global economy" - an admission of the failure of the Eurozone, which Greece was sacrificed to save.

Several points here:
1) the fact that Greece needed a bailout in the first place was because of their inability to manage their finances, Greek finances are the responsibility of - unsurprisingly - the Greeks
2) the potential lack of flexibility in a debt crisis was well known when they joined the EU, did the Greek people not vote to join the EU?
3) 'an admission of the failure of the Eurozone, which Greece was sacrificed to save' - this nonsense suggests to me that the author is rather biased on this particular topic, Greece was 'sacrificed', was it?

[SWv2]

Good afternoon, SW. Is the pub on fire?

Good afternoon Red. I must say your stereotyping of me is upsetting.

Pub at 5 dear boy.

[Burney]

Good afternoon Red. I must say your stereotyping of me is upsetting.

Pub at 5 dear boy.

Given your oft-expressed contempt for your work colleagues, who do you go drinking with at 5 on a Friday?

[SWv2]

Given your oft-expressed contempt for your work colleagues, who do you go drinking with at 5 on a Friday?

This evening I am going to the pub with like-minded chums, not colleagues. Drinking steadily from 5-8 then over the river to see Teenage Fanclub.

Last night I went to see Super Furry Animals.

Tomorrow night I have football drinks from 8 until late.

Sunday I am die but I hope not.

p.s. this day 2 weeks is my annual night out with colleagues.

[Burney]

This evening I am going to the pub with like-minded chums, not colleagues. Drinking steadily from 5-8 then over the river to see Teenage Fanclub.

Last night I went to see Super Furry Animals.

Tomorrow night I have football drinks from 8 until late.

Sunday I am die but I hope not.

p.s. this day 2 weeks is my annual night out with colleagues.

God, I can't imagine going to a concert these days. The very idea fills me with horror. All the standing and proximity to people and the noise and the smell.

[SWv2]

God, I can't imagine going to a concert these days. The very idea fills me with horror. All the standing and proximity to people and the noise and the smell.

Well quite. There was a chap right in front of me in the Olympia last evening who tested my patience to the very limit. Him and his fat bird. His level of over exuberance suggested chemicals.

Not the done thing to give him a pasting on a Thursday night all the same, 3 weeks from Xmas.

[Ash]

Several points here:
1) the fact that Greece needed a bailout in the first place was because of their inability to manage their finances, Greek finances are the responsibility of - unsurprisingly - the Greeks
2) the potential lack of flexibility in a debt crisis was well known when they joined the EU, did the Greek people not vote to join the EU?
3) 'an admission of the failure of the Eurozone, which Greece was sacrificed to save' - this nonsense suggests to me that the author is rather biased on this particular topic, Greece was 'sacrificed', was it?

You seem to have mixed up the quote from the report and my interpretation of that. A more usual bailout with debt relief could not be applied without risking other countries which is an inherent weakness of the Eurozone, as is that countries cannot set interest rates or float currencies (sovereign tools).