The Donald has been stitched up by the media.

[Burney]

Never a better opportunity for "none of the above" #brewstersmillions

Yup. Although I think we can now categorically state that the 'banter' defence does not work.

https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/A5496...8F_4yRbqDXwc8D

[Ash]

Speaking about a woman's tits, or describing how you shagged a woman. That's locker room talk. What he describes is a man using his power and fame to do what he wants to women, knowing they either won't object or that nobody will believe them when they do.

Not to excuse Trump, but isn't this the sort of behaviour that Bill Clinton was famous for? And that Hillary was happy to excuse for the sake of her own prospects of power?

[Burney]

Not to excuse Trump, but isn't this the sort of behaviour that Bill Clinton was famous for? And that Hillary was happy to excuse for the sake of her own prospects of power?

Anecdotally, pretty much, yes. But a/ Bill Clinton isn't the candidate b/ I don't think anyone's got his misdemeanours on tape.

[Brentwood]

Not to excuse Trump, but isn't this the sort of behaviour that Bill Clinton was famous for? And that Hillary was happy to excuse for the sake of her own prospects of power?

That's the claim, but can easily be dismissed as yet another conspiracy theory until someone actually has one of them admitting it. Also, he isn't the one up for election, his wife is

[Luis Anaconda]

Anecdotally, pretty much, yes. But a/ Bill Clinton isn't the candidate b/ I don't think anyone's got his misdemeanours on tape.

They don't call him Slick Willy for nothing. One of the most stupid things about Trump's response is that his attack on Bill just implicated him further and gives credence to any allegation against him

[World's End Stella]

Not to excuse Trump, but isn't this the sort of behaviour that Bill Clinton was famous for? And that Hillary was happy to excuse for the sake of her own prospects of power?

I don't think she was happy to excuse it, I think Bill just lied to her about it and to some extent she played the supportive wife. I seem to recall stories of an unholy row when he finally had to say 'sorry, Hills, but that is actually my spunk stain on Monica's dress'.

Her being loyal while being lied to is not quite the same as Trump being an appalling cretin, I think.

[Ash]

I don't think she was happy to excuse it, I think Bill just lied to her about it and to some extent she played the supportive wife. I seem to recall stories of an unholy row when he finally had to say 'sorry, Hills, but that is actually my spunk stain on Monica's dress'.

Her being loyal while being lied to is not quite the same as Trump being an appalling cretin, I think.

Monica was just the tip of the iceberg, I reckon.

[redgunamo]

Increasingly it appears true that the Democrats chose the one candidate capable of losing to Donald Trump, while the Republicans chose the one candidate capable of not beating Hilary Clinton.

Well put. America will be fine though.

[Burney]

Well put. America will be fine though.

All in all, it seems to me like a good reason not to let the general public choose your candidates for you if you're a party.

[redgunamo]

All in all, it seems to me like a good reason not to let the general public choose your candidates for you if you're a party.

You hit the nail on the head the other week; it simply doesn't matter anymore. Our democracies may well be past that stage.