There are people to whom I am connected on Facebook (yes, I know...)

[Sir C]

who are, to put it delicately, of a different age and, well, class, I suppose. They post pictures of St George, and quotes from Churchill, and holler and demand Brexit NOW! for ****'s sake, before all the immigrants kill us in our beds.

I understand their concerns and excuse their inability to express these worries in anything other than a bovine grunt, for they are common people, but what confuses me most is that, despite their enormous love for this country, the ****s have ****ed off and live in Spain.

Truly. Hoi polloi is a frighteningly illogical beast.

[The Jorge]

who are, to put it delicately, of a different age and, well, class, I suppose. They post pictures of St George, and quotes from Churchill, and holler and demand Brexit NOW! for ****'s sake, before all the immigrants kill us in our beds.

I understand their concerns and excuse their inability to express these worries in anything other than a bovine grunt, for they are common people, but what confuses me most is that, despite their enormous love for this country, the ****s have ****ed off and live in Spain.

Truly. Hoi polloi is a frighteningly illogical beast.

Here, mon frere, we can find some common ground

[Sir C]

Here, mon frere, we can find some common ground

Je crois qu'on ne peut pas; je ne ris pas de leur patriotisme, je les deteste pour leur stupidite.

[The Jorge]

Je crois qu'on ne peut pas; je ne ris pas de leur patriotisme, je les deteste pour leur stupidite.

Erm, game of two halves?



Seriously though, there's no greater stupidity than patriotism, I think George Carlin said it best.

“Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or obtain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn't a skill... it's a ****ing genetic accident. You wouldn't say I'm proud to be 5'11"; I'm proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer.”

[Sir C]

Erm, game of two halves?



Seriously though, there's no greater stupidity than patriotism, I think George Carlin said it best.

“Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or obtain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn't a skill... it's a ****ing genetic accident. You wouldn't say I'm proud to be 5'11"; I'm proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer.”

You're not helping your argument by quoting some dead bloke who was neither funny nor wise.

[The Jorge]

You're not helping your argument by quoting some dead bloke who was neither funny nor wise.

The man was a flat out genius, C

[eastgermanautos]

You're not helping your argument by quoting some dead bloke who was neither funny nor wise.

George Carlin was indeed not particularly interesting. His whole black t-shirt thing was depressing as well.

[Monty92]

Erm, game of two halves?



Seriously though, there's no greater stupidity than patriotism, I think George Carlin said it best.

“Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or obtain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn't a skill... it's a ****ing genetic accident. You wouldn't say I'm proud to be 5'11"; I'm proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer.”

I think that's a really ****, reductive quote that shows absolutely no understanding of what the essence of patriotism actually is. Of course, patriotism can manifest in horrible, unpleasant ways. But you and the lad Carlin seem to be implying that it can only ever be a negative thing.

[Burney]

I think that's a really ****, reductive quote that shows absolutely no understanding of what the essence of patriotism actually is. Of course, patriotism can manifest in horrible, unpleasant ways. But you and the lad Carlin seem to be implying that it can only ever be a negative thing.

To be fair, he was just a comedian. One shouldn't really seek profundity from someone whose job it is simply to make people laugh.

[The Jorge]

I think that's a really ****, reductive quote that shows absolutely no understanding of what the essence of patriotism actually is. Of course, patriotism can manifest in horrible, unpleasant ways. But you and the lad Carlin seem to be implying that it can only ever be a negative thing.

OK, please tell me what a positive manifestation of patriotism is then. It's just arbitrary stuff, isnt it?

I mean, I'm happy that William Wilberforce abolished the slave trade, that Nye Bevan created the NHS and that Alan Turing created the difference engine but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable taking pride in it, it's not my achievement even if we share the same passport.

It's great Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space but that he was a fellow caucasian male has no bearings on my feelings and neither do I resent Laika or canines in general for getting there first.