The authorities are getting a serious kicking at the Hillsborough inquest.

[redgunamo]

being responsible for the consequences of our own behaviour is *always* the right way to move forward, in my opinion. *That* needs to be the message.

Deeply unfashionable now though.

Aye. We were an army of raucous, beer swilling mischief makers; typical young Brits in fact. Hillsboro' was one of the "slum stadia" Taylor cited in his pivotal report. Ibrox was the precursor years before and we failed collectively to heed the warning.

[redgunamo]

The main concern i have for your post is that the original verdict was given with all the lies from the S Yorks Police, now they have show to be lies the original verdict wouldn't have happened imo

Sure. But they were just "official" lies. Normally you get away with them and eventually people understand. Or they don't; makes no difference really. We just make sure we get better at covering our tracks.

Like WMD in Iraq or whatever; people always believe what they want, what they need to.

[The Jorge]

And the lives they ruin?

I guess that's just the brutality of life's rich pageant

[redgunamo]

And the lives they ruin?

I guess that's just the brutality of life's rich pageant

Indeed. That's the machine for you; it doesn't *do* feelings and it doesn't care about the plight of individuals. Even those working within it.

I'm always baffled you don't get this. But then, you didn't *get* Miami Vice either, did you. And that was the central, fundamental theme of the thing.