Hang abouts! If we win our two games in hand on Liverpool we're back in the top four

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Originally Posted by Monty92

No, our expectations are to have a manager as reliably good as Mourinho, Klopp or Guardiola.

Oh.

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I'm referring to the fact that you appear to be crowing about the possibility of us - maybe, if everything goes to plan - scraping into the top four. That's not a good look. :-(

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Originally Posted by Sir C

"cruel and oppressive government or rule."

Seems a little extreme.

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What could be more cruel and oppressive than the acceptance that one may only aspire to mediocrity?

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Originally Posted by Sir C

"cruel and oppressive government or rule."

Seems a little extreme.

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Yes, on balance, I'd prefer to be a soft bigot.

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Originally Posted by Burney

I believe that is known as the tyranny of low expectations.

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As opposed to having to do Dickens for A level which is presumably the tyranny of Great Expectations

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Originally Posted by Burney

What could be more cruel and oppressive than the acceptance that one may only aspire to mediocrity?

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I thought we were talking about football, though. There's nothing cruel or oppressive about football. It is a leisure activity.

This current appetite for wailing, gnashing hyperbole is reducing all discussion to, well, nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Burney

What could be more cruel and oppressive than the acceptance that one may only aspire to mediocrity?

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Hardly anybody thinks of it that way though, as for 99% of the planet, throughout history, achieving mediocrity represents a triumph.

And I don't mean that old two-seater Stag chunk of scrap my old man loves so much.

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

As opposed to having to do Dickens for A level which is presumably the tyranny of Great Expectations

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Very good. And Squadron certainly enjoyed a Christmas Carroll last night. Anyway, he had him trussed and bound like a turkey.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

I thought we were talking about football, though. There's nothing cruel or oppressive about football. It is a leisure activity.

This current appetite for wailing, gnashing hyperbole is reducing all discussion to, well, nonsense.

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No, sticks and stones and a' that. It's just words and pictures, innit.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

No, our expectations are to have a manager as reliably good as Mourinho, Klopp or Guardiola.

Oh.

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No, I think our expectations are to have a manager who will leverage the financial power of the club, and any other means at his disposal, in order to try and win trophies.

The view of many, for very good reasons imo, is that Arsene Wenger is no longer such a manager.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

I thought we were talking about football, though. There's nothing cruel or oppressive about football. It is a leisure activity.

This current appetite for wailing, gnashing hyperbole is reducing all discussion to, well, nonsense.

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Who is wailing or hyperbolising? I'm well aware it's just football, but am equally aware that clinging to a vague hope of scraping into the top four at this stage of the season represents failure by the standards that Arsenal Football Club and Arsene Wenger have defined for themselves and thus is nowt for Monty to be getting a chubby about.