Is the Tory party actually on a mission to alienate every single voter in the country

What is all this choose your own gender nonsense? Have they gone fúcking insane?

There doesn't appear to be a viable, electable party for whom one might vote with a degree of confidence. Quite how we have come to such a pass is mysterious. But it's disturbing.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

What is all this choose your own gender nonsense? Have they gone fúcking insane?

There doesn't appear to be a viable, electable party for whom one might vote with a degree of confidence. Quite how we have come to such a pass is mysterious. But it's disturbing.

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But politics exists downstream from culture. This is a policy driven by our new culture.

Saying that, I do think this particular policy could be the tipping point we've been waiting for.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

What is all this choose your own gender nonsense? Have they gone fúcking insane?

There doesn't appear to be a viable, electable party for whom one might vote with a degree of confidence. Quite how we have come to such a pass is mysterious. But it's disturbing.

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To whom is this shīt meant to appeal? Clearly it can't be tory voters, so we can only assume they're trying to woo the lefty student types - who will never vote for them in a million years.

glwtp

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Originally Posted by Burney

To whom is this shīt meant to appeal? Clearly it can't be tory voters, so we can only assume they're trying to woo the lefty student types - who will never vote for them in a million years.

glwtp

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You might have said the same of gay marriage once upon a time, but that has certainly helped the Tories 'progressive' credentials.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

But politics exists downstream from culture. This is a policy driven by our new culture.

Saying that, I do think this particular policy could be the tipping point we've been waiting for.

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What bothers me is the idea that they're going to promote 'transgender rights'. Transgenders already have rights - same as everyone else. What this fatuous tart Greening appears to be suggesting is of an actual government legislating to protect the delusions of a tiny number of mad people from the cold light of reality.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

But politics exists downstream from culture. This is a policy driven by our new culture.

Saying that, I do think this particular policy could be the tipping point we've been waiting for.

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My glw, who has the misfortune of working amongst ordinary people - including, I suppose, so-called millenials, tells me that all these transers, radical feminists and Muslim apologists exist only on the pages of The Guardian, that I take too much notice of them, and that the people in her office, on the train and in restaurants and cafés are still sane.

You're calling my glw a liar.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

My glw, who has the misfortune of working amongst ordinary people - including, I suppose, so-called millenials, tells me that all these transers, radical feminists and Muslim apologists exist only on the pages of The Guardian, that I take too much notice of them, and that the people in her office, on the train and in restaurants and cafés are still sane.

You're calling my glw a liar.

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I think she's right to a point, except that her assessment of your every day person being sane is not quite the full story. They are sane, but they are influenced by our culture through osmososis and reflexively support what they are told is 'progressive' while not really questioning it. They are also permanently told that we must accept other people's life experiences as to not do so is intolerant and arrogant. Of course, this sounds reasonable until 'acceptance' becomes something far beyond basic good manners and tactfulness.

In other words, they are useful idiots, and their tepid, apathetic endorsement serves to validate the entire movement.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

You might have said the same of gay marriage once upon a time, but that has certainly helped the Tories 'progressive' credentials.

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Doubt it got them many votes, though.

Besides, gay marriage was a case where there was a clear inequity based on sexual preference. One could defend it on the principle of equal rights. There is no such defence for these proposals.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

I think she's right to a point, except that her assessment of your every day person being sane is not quite the full story. They are sane, but they are influenced by our culture through osmososis and reflexively support what they are told is 'progressive' while not really questioning it. They are also permanently told that we must accept other people's life experiences as to not do so is intolerant and arrogant. Of course, this sounds reasonable until 'acceptance' becomes something far beyond basic good manners and tactfulness.

In other words, they are useful idiots, and their tepid, apathetic endorsement serves to validate the entire movement.

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I suppose you socialise with these people, do you? Do they talk specious bóllocks as a matter of course?

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Originally Posted by Burney

Doubt it got them many votes, though.

Besides, gay marriage was a case where there was a clear inequity based on sexual preference. One could defend it on the principle of equal rights. There is no such defence for these proposals.

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You don't think the detoxification of the 'nasty party' has helped keep the Tories in government since Blair?