So it's another referendum then. Ignore Mrs May's firm assertion that there will

not be one. One decent Twitter storm and she'll fold like a cheap picnic table, then Comrade Jeremy will mobilise the nitwit millennials with promises of riches, free iPhones and affordable housing.

A push and shove boys and the land is ours, or theirs....whatever!

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not be one. One decent Twitter storm and she'll fold like a cheap picnic table, then Comrade Jeremy will mobilise the nitwit millennials with promises of riches, free iPhones and affordable housing.

A push and shove boys and the land is ours, or theirs....whatever!

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No. It’s just Nigel Farage trying to stay relevant.

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No. It’s just Nigel Farage trying to stay relevant.

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Maybe he can be the next Arsenal Manager.
he might be a bit of a clown but he keeps winning.

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not be one. One decent Twitter storm and she'll fold like a cheap picnic table, then Comrade Jeremy will mobilise the nitwit millennials with promises of riches, free iPhones and affordable housing.

A push and shove boys and the land is ours, or theirs....whatever!

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Errr....no. Not it isn't. There is no possibility of a second referendum. Nigel Farage is irrelevant.

Also, you have to remember that Jez has actually committed to getting us out of the Single Market and the Customs Union, so he's a fairly unlikely figurehead for a Remain vote, I'd have thought.

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No. It’s just Nigel Farage trying to stay relevant.

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Clearly desperate for one last six week slot of minor fame. The man's a ****.

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Errr....no. Not it isn't. There is no possibility of a second referendum. Nigel Farage is irrelevant.

Also, you have to remember that Jez has actually committed to getting us out of the Single Market and the Customs Union, so he's a fairly unlikely figurehead for a Remain vote, I'd have thought.

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A second referendum would be great fun. Even better, a second referendum where you get exactly the same result, to the nearest percentage point, would be even funnier.

Best of three?

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A second referendum would be great fun. Even better, a second referendum where you get exactly the same result, to the nearest percentage point, would be even funnier.

Best of three?

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I would vote Remain again while secretly hoping that Leave won by a larger margin for no reason other than to watch Blair, Campbell et al try and squirm their way out of that one. :hehe:

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It tells you what a profoundly unserious man Farage is that he would even contemplate risking this most hard-won result for the sake of his own ego. This is just one of the reasons why the serious Leave campaign ostracised the man as far as possible.

Interestingly, polling before the vote showed that whenever Farage had a particularly high public profile, support for UKIP would increase, but overall support for leave across the UK would dip because a lot of natural leave voters didn't want to be associated with Farage or UKIP. In that sense, while you have to give him credit that we wouldn't have got the vote without him, he's a very divisive figure even among Leavers.

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I would vote Remain again while secretly hoping that Leave won by a larger margin for no reason other than to watch Blair, Campbell et al try and squirm their way out of that one. :hehe:

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Blair has said with a straight face that he wouldn't rule out a third referendum in such a case. That's the sort of people we're dealing with here. The public vote means nothing to them unless it delivers the result they want. Gobshítes.

Mind you, if a Remain vote were returned, it would be fascinating to hear the reasons given as to why a third vote shouldn't be allowed. :hehe:

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Blair has said with a straight face that he wouldn't rule out a third referendum in such a case. That's the sort of people we're dealing with here. The public vote means nothing to them unless it delivers the result they want. Gobshítes.

Mind you, if a Remain vote were returned, it would be fascinating to hear the reasons given as to why a third vote shouldn't be allowed. :hehe:

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That surely is the biggest practical argument against a second vote, leaving aside the whole 'you dont get a second chance just because you lost' thing. A leave victory changes nothing, a remain victory would solve nothing, and simply make it 1-1.

To be fair to Farage I think he said it might be worth it just to shut Blair up and the leave majority would be bigger. I dont think that is necessarily true and, as you have said, it certainly wouldn't shut anyone up.

The only scenario where a second vote could happen is if the vote was specifically on the exit deal, in the context of accepting that we are leaving whatever the outcome. That sounds pretty complicated so it cant really happen.

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That surely is the biggest practical argument against a second vote, leaving aside the whole 'you dont get a second chance just because you lost' thing. A leave victory changes nothing, a remain victory would solve nothing, and simply make it 1-1.

To be fair to Farage I think he said it might be worth it just to shut Blair up and the leave majority would be bigger. I dont think that is necessarily true and, as you have said, it certainly wouldn't shut anyone up.

The only scenario where a second vote could happen is if the vote was specifically on the exit deal, in the context of accepting that we are leaving whatever the outcome. That sounds pretty complicated so it cant really happen.

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Is everyone just playing for time now then? Maybe there'll eventually be no EU left to Brexit from?

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Is everyone just playing for time now then? Maybe there'll eventually be no EU left to Brexit from?

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The shenanigans with the Visegrád Group are going to get worse before they get better, which could mean more countries leaving. After all, I don't think the Poles, Slovaks, Czechs and Hungarians are likely to come around to the idea of mass muslim immigration any time soon.

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That surely is the biggest practical argument against a second vote, leaving aside the whole 'you dont get a second chance just because you lost' thing. A leave victory changes nothing, a remain victory would solve nothing, and simply make it 1-1.

To be fair to Farage I think he said it might be worth it just to shut Blair up and the leave majority would be bigger. I dont think that is necessarily true and, as you have said, it certainly wouldn't shut anyone up.

The only scenario where a second vote could happen is if the vote was specifically on the exit deal, in the context of accepting that we are leaving whatever the outcome. That sounds pretty complicated so it cant really happen.

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I think it would be touch and go as it was before. Sir John Curtice has made it clear that there has been no real shift in people's opinions since June 2016, so any vote would still be within the margin for error and thus too close to call.

A vote on the exit deal makes no sense. Your choice could only be between accepting the deal on the table or leaving with no deal at all. Either way, we leave.

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not be one. One decent Twitter storm and she'll fold like a cheap picnic table, then Comrade Jeremy will mobilise the nitwit millennials with promises of riches, free iPhones and affordable housing.

A push and shove boys and the land is ours, or theirs....whatever!

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Surely another referendum would be of no use as having already triggered Article 51 you can fúck right off / have started a sequence of events which cannot be reversed.

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Surely another referendum would be of no use as having already triggered Article 51 you can fúck right off / have started a sequence of events which cannot be reversed.

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The EU would bend the rules to have us back in a heartbeat because we've left them with a massive gap in their budget.

for political pragmatism, with the intention at some point down the line of meeting the wishes of the overwhelming majority of Labour members by endorsing a second referendum?

Bearing in mind his own deputy has said a second ref is still on the table...

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Errr....no. Not it isn't. There is no possibility of a second referendum. Nigel Farage is irrelevant.

Also, you have to remember that Jez has actually committed to getting us out of the Single Market and the Customs Union, so he's a fairly unlikely figurehead for a Remain vote, I'd have thought.

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Maybe he can be the next Arsenal Manager.
he might be a bit of a clown but he keeps winning.

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#FarageOut

I repeat, the man is a ****.

My deepest odium regarding Brexit is reserved for Boris. He was singularly ashen faced on the morning after the leave vote and behaved in a serpentine and disreputable way in the days that followed. He would have been expected to stand for PM following Cameron's resignation but the fat, scruffy snake knew a poisoned chalice when he saw one. ****.

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for political pragmatism, with the intention at some point down the line of meeting the wishes of the overwhelming majority of Labour members by endorsing a second referendum?

Bearing in mind his own deputy has said a second ref is still on the table...

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Career politician triangulating for political advantage you suggest? Your prescience is remarkable.

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Career politician triangulating for political advantage you suggest? Your prescience is remarkable.

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Herbs mate, the big lads are talking politics.

Stick to removing shíte from pipes.

wouldn't rule out a Labour shift towards a second ref, given the support among their members.

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for political pragmatism, with the intention at some point down the line of meeting the wishes of the overwhelming majority of Labour members by endorsing a second referendum?

Bearing in mind his own deputy has said a second ref is still on the table...

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I think 'triangulating' is giving them far too much credit. They are between a rock and a hard place on Brexit and are consequently trying to avoid committing either way. At some point they're going to have to jump, but they're hoping that things go sufficiently wrong between now and leaving that they can dress it up as an act of principle rather than a cynical and opportunist bit of politicking.

If that doesn't happen, a general election between now and us leaving is the last thing Labour want as it would force them to nail their Brexit colours to the mast and lose voters from one camp or the other.

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Members are different things to voters, though. There are a lot of Labour voters who would take a move towards a second referendum very badly indeed.

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Members are different things to voters, though. There are a lot of Labour voters who would take a move towards a second referendum very badly indeed.

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Yes, why is why they are biding their time, as you outline above.

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Herbs mate, the big lads are talking politics.

Stick to removing shíte from pipes.

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Will do mate ;-)

If you've any tarmac left over today my drive needs doing btw.

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Will do mate ;-)

If you've any tarmac left over today my drive needs doing btw.

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Very good H.

Inoffensive banter eh. Where would we be without it.

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Very good H.

Inoffensive banter eh. Where would we be without it.

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Well you keep repeating your shít pipe joke over and over again and we'll be fine.

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Well you keep repeating your shít pipe joke over and over again and we'll be fine.

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Sorry H, never again.

I do realise you are some kind of computer nerd these days.

:-(

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Now, now, children. If you can't banter nicely, then I won't let you banter at all.

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Sorry H, never again.

I do realise you are some kind of computer nerd these days.

:-(

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I am a humble programmer S. What exactly is it that you do? I know this question has been asked before. Aren't you also 'something' in I.T.

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Now, now, children. If you can't banter nicely, then I won't let you banter at all.

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Shut it posh boy. You'll get a fackin fat lip 'n all

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I am a humble programmer S. What exactly is it that you do? I know this question has been asked before. Aren't you also 'something' in I.T.

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Database management / profiling.

Wee bit of marketing also but that is dead.

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Wee bit of marketing also but that is dead.

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Killed by GDPR?

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Careful Herb, he does targeted marketing.

Make him mad and 2,000 of the latest Argos catalogue will be on your doorstep in the morning. :nono:

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database management / profiling.

Wee bit of marketing also but that is dead.

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select * from customers

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Posh Boy :hehe: He's part Irish Herbs

The "Tick here if you don't want our offers / junk mail" wording seems to have now been altered to say
"do" and not "don't"

Good move

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Posh Boy :hehe: He's part Irish Herbs

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There's Irish and there's Irish Pok. Arthur Wellesley was Irish yet is the greatest ever englishman, if you get my drift.

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There's Irish and there's Irish Pok. Arthur Wellesley was Irish yet is the greatest ever englishman, if you get my drift.

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:nod: Being born in a stable doesn’t make one a horse imo

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That surely is the biggest practical argument against a second vote, leaving aside the whole 'you dont get a second chance just because you lost' thing. A leave victory changes nothing, a remain victory would solve nothing, and simply make it 1-1.

To be fair to Farage I think he said it might be worth it just to shut Blair up and the leave majority would be bigger. I dont think that is necessarily true and, as you have said, it certainly wouldn't shut anyone up.

The only scenario where a second vote could happen is if the vote was specifically on the exit deal, in the context of accepting that we are leaving whatever the outcome. That sounds pretty complicated so it cant really happen.

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I think there is an argument to be made that any referendum (forget Brexit specifically) is more likely to be representative if you have a second and final vote.

A single referendum is always open to the criticism that people didn't take it seriously because they thought it was certain that the public would vote one way or the other, or that something was fundamentally misrepresented in the lead up to the vote etc etc. A second referendum would resolve many of those concerns with necessarily leaving us open to the possibility of a third referendum.

I don't want one, of course, but I don't buy the argument that you can't have a second one without considering the possibility of a third one.