Mustafi was ****ing diabolical on that first goal. Chambers got done in exactly

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Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige

The same way as the other night against Östersund for the third. Not even sure why he set up to play on the counter when he had a back 5 and no wingers.

JUST LEAVE!!!!

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I don't mind losing games if the players on the pitch have given it their all and done everything possible. I do have a problem when players, to quote George Graham once upon a time, "accept defeat easily". This is yet another example (spectacular, even) in a long string of performances where that quote can be applied.

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Originally Posted by SWv2

Mustafi had his eye on the ball and did not once appear to look, did you expect Aguero to simply step aside and allow him safe passage?

C’mon now, not even Wenger clutched at that straw.

It was utterly abysmal defending by the German.

I am now simply going to accept you are being obtuse and argumentative and bid you a good day.

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So you're saying that Aguero didn't push him in the back? It certainly looked that way to me. Perhaps I imagined it.

Stating the truth is not being obtuse, my dear fellow. Failing to mindlessly engage with the 'Mustafi is rubbish and the incident looked embarrassing therefore it must have been Mustafi's fault' isn't argumentative.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

He pushed him in the back. That's a foul.

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Sorry, sc. That is never, ever a foul.

What it was, was worse than school-boy defending.

Edit - just rewatched, Aguero didn't push Mustafi, he stood his ground.
3m 11s https://www.arsenal.com/news/carabao...al-match-video

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Mustafi placed himself under the flight of the ball. Aguero ran 5 yards beyond the flight of the ball, then ran back and pushed Mustafi out of the way as he was about to head the ball clear.

I'm interested in what you think Mustafi should have done. Given the opportunity to stand and head the ball away, are you suggesting he should ignore the ball and follow Aguero?

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He should have been well inside his own half with everything in front of him. Then he would have known where Aguero was and he would’ve been running on to the ball trying to header it instead of backpedaling from the halfway line. That also would’ve made it possible for him to do what Aguero did when they were both challenging for it. It was poor positioning that lead to the goal.

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Originally Posted by IUFG

Sorry, sc. That is never, ever a foul.

What it was, was worse than school-boy defending.

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A push in the back isn't a foul? Is this some sort of collective delusion? I don't understand the reasoning here. If you push an opponent in the back, it's a foul. Where is the ambiguity here?

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Where is the ambiguity here?

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Aguero stood his ground. Nothing wrong with that...

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Originally Posted by Sir C

So you're saying that Aguero didn't push him in the back? It certainly looked that way to me. Perhaps I imagined it.

Stating the truth is not being obtuse, my dear fellow. Failing to mindlessly engage with the 'Mustafi is rubbish and the incident looked embarrassing therefore it must have been Mustafi's fault' isn't argumentative.

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Mustafi's alright but Kun's done him there, that's all. Perfectly legitimate.

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Originally Posted by Billy Goat Sverige

He should have been well inside his own half with everything in front of him. Then he would have known where Aguero was and he would’ve been running on to the ball trying to header it instead of backpedaling from the halfway line. That also would’ve made it possible for him to do what Aguero did when they were both challenging for it. It was poor positioning that lead to the goal.

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Well he was in the correct position to head the ball clear, which is his primary concern. Aguero took that position from him, not by going shoulder to shoulder or by challenging him for the ball, but by pushing him in the back. Have I been hallucinating, or something?

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Originally Posted by IUFG

Aguero stood his ground. Nothing wrong with that...

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Correct. Nothing wrong with that.

The bit where he pushed him in the back. Anything wrong with that?

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Mustafi's alright but Kun's done him there, that's all. Perfectly legitimate.

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It's legitimate to push a player in the back?