Martinez' revenge, that's what's happening.
It will truly be a 'good ebening' for a certain vampirical-looking dude :-(
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Martinez' revenge, that's what's happening.
It will truly be a 'good ebening' for a certain vampirical-looking dude :-(
Already in full would take a point mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
I'd be delighted with 5 from our next 3 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
4, even :-(
:nod: 11 from our next 5 would be a great haulQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Meh - hardly the first time we played against him. Last two times at Villa Park, he should have conceded a penalty in one (if only there was VAR oh wait there was) and scored and own goal, and was stranded in our half when one of our Gabis scored in the otherQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Martinez, also usually decides to have his worst game of the season for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
Yeah - was at the game when he palmed the penalty save straight back to Auba as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
We had a better keeper between the sticks in fairness. We go into this encounter with jelly on a plate..Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
I'm firmly pro Ramsdale, as I had said before, but Raya is a very good keeper. Got his way into the Spain squad while playing at Brentford. What were your thoughts on Martinez when he was unimpressive on loan at Wolves, Sheffield Wednesday, Oxford, Rotherham? Or conceding 5 on his debut against Reading?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
If I recall correctly, he went through a pretty rough period at Villa last year, or maybe the year before. Howlers all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
Wasn't particularly convincing in the WC as well, I think.
Keepers, eh :shrug:
He's a very good keeper but has his dodgy periods - thrown a couple in the net this season as well. Let's hope for a poor performance from him on Saturday. Is ridiculous the number of ex-keepers we have around - Martinez, Fabianski, Turner, Leno in the Premiership, Szczesny in Italy. Fairly sure Mart Poom will turn up at Luton before the end of the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by WES
we survive the first 15 minutes of inevitable onslaught from them...we'll be fine :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
I'd take a point now, mind.
their big strength is their high line and offside trap - watched the Spurs game and they could have been 5 down by half time. Our front three could have a fun time - if they time their runs. Havertz could be very useful in this respect as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
Emery must have changed, man...Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
I specifically remember the game at the Emirates, under Unai, when we beat Villa (2-1, 3-2?) with a very late Aubameyang free-kick and was appalled at how our defenders kept dropping off and dropping off, eventually into the area, inviting shots and free movement from Villa. Obviously an instruction from the manager.
Jack Grealish had a field day.
After the 20+ game honeymoon, we were dog**** under Emery. Especially at the end of the season.
I think the scale of Arteta's rebuild gives a good window into the absolute **** show that Emery inherited. He never stood a chance in the short term and our transfer activity was all over the shop while he was here.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
He is clearly a very, very good coach and under different circumstances he could have done well with us.
He is a very good keeper but he isn't too hot with his feet and he has far too much to say for and about himself for Arteta's liking. I suspect the 'values' were an issue in him staying with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
Despite current form, I would think Raya is the slightly better keeper. Both have exceptional handling, Raya is better with his feet. Martinez is more aggressive and full of himself (in a positive sense).
Villa and Anfield are going to be incredibly difficult games.
found it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49705154
that team, smfh
Leno
Maitland-Niles
Papastathopoulos
David Luiz
Kolasinac
Guendouzi
Xhaka
Pépé
Ceballos
Saka
Aubameyang
Subs
Özil
Torreira
Chambers
Nelson
E Martínez
Willock
Martinelli
Perhaps you have a point, P.
You look at that list and it isn't just that it isn't a great team. Think about what the dressing room was like. Big egos on the likes of Aubamayang, Ozil, Luiz but no real sense of leadership. Younger players with a bit of attitude like Guendouzi and Maitland-Niles.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
Then the relatively useless, such as Kolasinac, Pepe, the big Greek lad. No thought has gone into that squad, or if it has it is the various thoughts of too many cooks.
Total mess. No wonder Edu and Arteta set about dismantling the entire thing and starting again.
This keeper mess lays squarely at the feet of Arteta. He saw something he liked in Raya but overlooked the pressure in playing in front of 60k for a top 4 club. He also underestimated the loyalty to Ramsdale who played a huge part in last seasons success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
It was a stupid move in my book. We had other priorities and hooking Ramsdale without the requisite string of poor performances, was ill conceived.
We now have two keepers who are a bundle of nerves every time they take the field.
There’s a fag paper between them in terms of ability where their ought to be an obvious step up in class with Raya.
Certainly the dressing room was a ****show at that time. Auba and Ozil hoovering the life out of it. Emery didn't deal with either of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Villa finished 17th that season and made us look as bad as they were.
We only finished 8th. Behind Wolves.
As good as Emery might be. We didn't see it.
Overall I agree there is little difference in quality, but they have different strengths. Raya is much better at coming for crosses (bar the other night!), he has better hands and he is more comfortable on the ball. Ramsdale is bigger, cockier, his reflexes are better and I have a feeling that he reads the path of the ball better, explaining some of his more spectacular saves.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
If Arteta wants a guy who is good on the ball and stronger on catching crosses, Raya is the better bet.
I do agree though, he has created a problem that wasn't there before. Long term, I am hoping it makes us better but in the hsort term it is a big problem.
This is what you get with an inexperienced manager. We all acknowledge that players improve but we rarely have the same conversation about managers. He is very inexperienced and we have seen almost a surplus of ideas and initiatives. This season he changed too much too soon, as seen with the ridiculous Partey experiment alongside a brand new midfield. Bad idea!
But you also get the creativity- look at our work with throw ins this season. We have caught teams out at least three times with weird runs from throws.
We definitely didn't see it. I couldn't work out what his team was about when he was with us but having watched him since his sides have a very clear identity. I just think he didn't have what he needed with us and the power struggles going on above him meant he couldn't ask for it. By the end he had totally lost the dressing room. It was pretty sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
If he had had Edu with him, who knows.
Either way, it meant we got Arteta :-)
Seconded, 100% agree!
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Originally Posted by Peter
Didn't survive the first 15 minutes. FFS....Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
No, we did not. Good call. Still should've battered them though. #goals
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Originally Posted by IUFG
I must be Mystic ****ing Meg :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
And a dreadful set of results for us this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
****!
I know it was Spurs, but seeing Newcastle get another spanking was still kind of nice :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG