If they were going to do it they've have done it after Wednesday's debacle.
We're stuck with him.
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If they were going to do it they've have done it after Wednesday's debacle.
We're stuck with him.
we are going to lose big tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
biiiiiiiig.
like Big Big.
like Tom Hanks in Big, Big,
Strange word Big.
Ironically, 'big' is smaller than 'little'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
They are going to show us the meaning of spirit, endeavour and joie-de-footyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Are you talking about JRM again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
You're obsessing, man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
UE will get sacked next week if we lose (heavily) to Leicester....the Labour party are going to get wiped out according to the latest pollQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Remember the polls before the 2017 election?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
I'm a-feared, I really am.
Ahh, but our Political expert was talking about this at work (he used to work for the Labour Party),thay have reworked their models and are confident that it won't happen again (they would say that).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
2017 was the first GE that the polls had been miles out
Actually he might just nick a point at Lester. He's an underdog coach, and his tictacs sometimes work a little better when we're the underdog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
The reason he's not been sacked yet maybe because they haven't got a replacement lined up. Although a cardboard cutout of Arsene would probably do a better job tbf.
Please God he's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
Tory win quite easily, SNP retake nearly all the Scottish seats, Brexit party actually hurts the Labour party more than the Tory partyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
That still probably won't stop Berni calling the BXP mongs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
Always a tough gig for Labour with their support split between metropolitan middle-class remainers and traditional working-class leavers. As it turns out (seemingly) rejecting any Brexit deal that doesn't include all of the benefits of EU membership is unrealistic and pretending that this election is not about Brexit is never going to fly either.
I can never work out how voting for whichever party fits in with your beliefs can cause some people to say it is a wasted vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
I think it's an issue of logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
The Brexit Party isn't going to win a majority in parliament. If you vote BXP in a marginal constituency and thereby enable Labour or the LibDems to win the seat, you're decreasing the likelihood of Brexit taking place.
So you've just stiffed yourself :shrug:
You assume a Brexit voter would be a Tory otherwise. A hell of a lot of Brexit voters will be ex Labour who could never vote Tory as they will be shat on from a great height by all the other policy's they have, so in effect they either vote Brexit or abstainQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Indeed. Besides, both principled and tactical voting are legitimate decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
But if they're considering voting Brexit one must assume that their overwhelming concern is, to coin a phrase, 'get Brexit done'. Does it not, therefore, make sense for them to vote for the only party who will actually 'get Brexit done'?*Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
(*Not that they will, mind.)
No, because this is a GE not a ref', so why vote for the tory party if you believe that the other policy's they have go against everything you believe in. And unless I have missed something, the LIB DEMS have said they will cancel it, the Labour party have said a second people vote is they way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Depends what 'getting Brexit done' means, and what a voter might want from it. If you're a fisherman who thinks the MayBoris deal is no good for them, or someone who believes that we should invest nationally in high-tech manufacturing, then the Tory deal is not as attractive as a Brexit Party WTO deal where we are really free to choose our direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Yes, granted. But the Brexit Party WTO dal isn't relevant to anyone because they aren't going to win a majority. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Best scenario for Leicester is 3 points and Unai still in a job...
No 4 or 5 nil win here
More like a feisty 2-2 with Vardy scoring a late pen for 3-2
Unless you live in a marginal with a majority of one, every vote is wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
Also, every spoilt ballot paper has to be shown to every single candidate to see if they disagree. So if you write rude things on it, you can abuse them from the ballot box.
One ballot paper last time just had cünt written next to every name, except the Lab candidate's which had not a cünt written next to it.
Fair play to the Tories and other parties, all agreed that this should count as a vote for the Lab candidate and this was obviously what the voter wished to convey, even if he'd somehow misunderstood the 'put your cross in just one box' bit.
They might not need to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Except of course that the "other policies" that the Tories are campaigning on include massive increases in public spending (popular with traditional Labour voters) while Labour are pledging to not only reverse Brexit but to keep freedom of movement (massively unpopular with traditional Labour voters).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
So your assumption that former Labour and now Brexit Party voters would sooner return to Labour than vote Tory is not necessarily correct. For many of these people, the Tories now better represent them than the metropolitan liberal elite-dominated Labour.