Surely even May isn't incompetent enough to make an offer to the EU on the border without first running it by the party currently keeping her in office? Surely?
Surely even May isn't incompetent enough to make an offer to the EU on the border without first running it by the party currently keeping her in office? Surely?
Ni will effectively remain as an EU state in all but name in relation to all dealings with the free 26 counties of Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Basically an outpost, different to the rest of your so-called United Kingdom and if anything more aligned to us than the other 3 countries which make up your outdated concept of Great Britain.
Arlene is going to go fúcking mental.
Great Britain is the name of the Ireland, sw, and will continue to be so even if Scotland, Wales and England were to go their separate ways - not sure how that can be an outdated conceptQuote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
I reckon she is - wouldn't mind be a fly on the wall for the conversation though. Would be a lovely irony if Ireland becomes a more united entity thanks to a government backed by those ****ersQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
It is a silly name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
For a start there is fúck all Great about it. Perhaps once when you ruled others.
Lots of benefits for the UK if that were to work. It would effectively allow the UK to retain economic access to the EU while remaining politically outside it. NI might become a very handy place for UK businesses to set up satellite offices. Of course, we would have to restrict entry from NI to GB to keep the foreigners out.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
sigh - as I'm sure you know, rich, sorry sw, it refers to the geographical size in comparison to the rest of the British Isles, of which Ireland is, of course, one.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
Must you be so literal with names? Is Ireland really a Land of Ire, A Land of Anger and Wrath? Oh...
If it keeps the Northern Irish out - win, win :hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
It simply means great in the sense of 'encompassing the whole island and all nations and principalities therein', you tit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
Besides, there's fücking loads that's 'Great' about it.
Result imo. The Brexit bonus. Not only get rid of Brussels but give N.Ireland back too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
Your fine Guards! can deal with a few hundred thousand orange loonies. :-)
Really? You often speak very fondly of your time here which seems to have consisted of smoking third rate hash, quaffing pints, nobbing fat birds and getting sacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
What's not 'Great' about that?
Ungrateful swine.......
The dream of a united Ireland. THe true Ireland. A nation once again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Its wonderful....
I’ve never really bothered to understand it to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
I was always confused how it was one entity for certain issues such as the Olympics or the Eurovision but then different for important stuff like the World Cup.
The fact that I was at war with you just caused me to be even less interested than normal.
Gardai :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Point of order: we cannot give Northern Ireland 'back', since the Irish have never had it to be given it 'back'. Ireland has never been a meaningfully united political entity other than under British rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
That said, I see a lot of useful aspects to essentially treating Northern Ireland as a bonded warehouse for exporting to the EU.
Does Arlene not pull the plug then and you go to the polls again, and then maybe even let Jeremy in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
There is a fair amount more clusterfúcking which yet could happen here.
And Ireland has never been a meaningfully partitioned entity other than under british rule. So yes, we can 'give it back' in the same sense that we 'gave back' the 26 almost a century ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Oh, yeah. We've all come to assume clusterfückery as the new norm over here. I still don't think Corbo will get in whatever happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWv2
I'm just trying to get my head around May trying to broker a deal without proper consultation with the DUP. It just seems impossibly stupid.
The impossibly stupid might just be an act of genius in the current climate. Or, more likely, an act of impossible stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
You can't give something 'back' that someone has never had, p. ou can give it to them (and welcome to it, God knows), but that's it. We didn't give the 26 counties 'back', we gave them to the newly-founded entity of the Irish Republic. YQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter
We gave them back to the Irish people, if we couldn't give them back to the Irish State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
That's the trouble with your ilk. You only recognise the ruling class of a nation. The ordinary people just don't exist. :shrug:
We actually didnt do that. We created a free state within the commonwealth but outside the Union, pretty much what it had been before 1801. We did NOT grant independence or an Irish Republic. The Irish just ignored that and took it as independence, then later declared it themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Lets not quibble over what to call it. We all want Northern Ireland gone so lets just get on with it.
That or she's showing willing in the certain knowledge that the DUP will kibosh it. That way, the political heat falls on them rather than her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
:hehe: And, if I may say so, the trouble with your 'ilk' is that it actually believes there is such an entity as 'the people' rather than a few million individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
WTO here we come :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Politically they dont exist other than as minority share holders with inconsequential voting rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
*******s to ordinary people. They shouldn't be so ****ing ordinary :D
As an idea, it works. She can legitimately say that the majority party in NI as represented at Westminster has rejected the deal and that she has to respect their wishes. I do wonder if she's actually clever enough to have thought that one through, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
'Let the people decide.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
And we did. We made history.
:hehe: So we're here again. You elitist Blairite running dogs!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Yes, what did the deplorables ever do with their votes eh?
Power to the Demos!
Yes.... 'made history' is one of those phrases that really can go either way isnt it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Of course. Better than being powerless though. The point is to change it an all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
You dont let the lunatics run the asylum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
THere is nothing more dangerous than a sharp sword in the hand of a blind man......Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Apart from possession on the edge of your own box, of course.
I'll bet those fat birds were as elfin wood nymphs compared to the bog dwelling toothless hags he fires it up these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
And a sharp sword in the hand of someone who can see where you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I'm not sure you thought this metaphor through, tbh.
From where I'm standing, they have been for hundreds of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Not as lovely an irony, of course, as the distinct possibility - now that they have, as predicted, kiboshed it - of the anti-Brexit protest vote that destroyed May's majority potentially leading to a harder Brexit than would otherwise have been the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
The last two years of politics in this country really are an object lesson for everyone in the dangers of unintended consequences. :hehe:
Different danger. The man who can see wil kill who he intends. The blind man could kill anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
You may disagree with the plan but its better than random and accidental slaughter.
Or a collapse in the coalition leading to a Labour govt which waters down Brexit so much that we are left as an EU colony. :-|Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Allowing the people to vote on an issue which even the politicians in charge, or those whose idea it was, failed to fully understand the consequences of was never really a great idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Then again allowing the people to make that call was not May’s call.
The spineless chap who started it all has kind of slid off I note.