I'm confused by the argument being put forward by David Hole in this article about UK

citizens currently living or working in the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...live-in-europe

He's complaining that, post-Brexit, EU citizens living/working in the UK will retain the right to do so in any member states, whereas UK citizens currently living/working in the EU will not.

How is this news? That's what we voted for you stupid c*nt. You may disagree, and have every right to do so, but the article reads as if he's unearthed some revelatory downside to Brexit that no-one's thought of yet.

Also, he claims Brexit will force him to live in Germany for the rest of his life and then in virtually the next paragraph he references the fact that he can move back to the UK whenever he wants.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

citizens currently living or working in the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...live-in-europe

He's complaining that, post-Brexit, EU citizens living/working in the UK will retain the right to do so in any member states, whereas UK citizens currently living/working in the EU will not.

How is this news? That's what we voted for you stupid c*nt. You may disagree, and have every right to do so, but the article reads as if he's unearthed some revelatory downside to Brexit that no-one's thought of yet.

Also, he claims Brexit will force him to live in Germany for the rest of his life and then in virtually the next paragraph he references the fact that he can move back to the UK whenever he wants.

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Yes, it does rather read as though he hasn't been paying attention and has only just noticed something blindingly obvious.

I find it odd the way people act as if the freedom of movement thing is a God-given right that has existed since time immemorial rather than something that's been around 20-odd years. The way some people go on, you'd think nobody ever travelled or worked abroad before 1992.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

citizens currently living or working in the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...live-in-europe

He's complaining that, post-Brexit, EU citizens living/working in the UK will retain the right to do so in any member states, whereas UK citizens currently living/working in the EU will not.

How is this news? That's what we voted for you stupid c*nt. You may disagree, and have every right to do so, but the article reads as if he's unearthed some revelatory downside to Brexit that no-one's thought of yet.

Also, he claims Brexit will force him to live in Germany for the rest of his life and then in virtually the next paragraph he references the fact that he can move back to the UK whenever he wants.

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He says the two groups are repeatedly slung together as if they are in the same boat. His point is that they are not.

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Originally Posted by Peter

He says the two groups are repeatedly slung together as if they are in the same boat. His point is that they are not.

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Can these idiots not find an Irish relative somewhere in their bloodline? Surely everyone British must be part Irish by now? They're welcome to have a couple of mine if they want. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Burney

Yes, it does rather read as though he hasn't been paying attention and has only just noticed something blindingly obvious.

I find it odd the way people act as if the freedom of movement thing is a God-given right that has existed since time immemorial rather than something that's been around 20-odd years. The way some people go on, you'd think nobody ever travelled or worked abroad before 1992.

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This is what i don't get. He talks as though he can decide he wants to live in Italy tomorrow and **** off and live there because he's an EU citizen. That's not how it works. You still have to meet certain criteria like having employment in the country. In terms of wanting to live and work in another EU country Brexit means having to look from outside instead of inside the country, which while not as convenient it's not impossible. Millions of people around the world do it.

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Originally Posted by Peter

He says the two groups are repeatedly slung together as if they are in the same boat. His point is that they are not.

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That's only because the difference between the two boats is so utterly, utterly obvious that there is no reason for it to ever be referenced or acknowledged.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

That's only because the difference between the two boats is so utterly, utterly obvious that there is no reason for it to ever be referenced or acknowledged.

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Ok. I thought his point was obvious but you didn't seem to get it :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Burney

Can these idiots not find an Irish relative somewhere in their bloodline? Surely everyone British must be part Irish by now? They're welcome to have a couple of mine if they want. :shrug:

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I don't seem to have any. My great grandfather claimed to be from Cork but it turns out he was simply a lying, drunken ****.

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Originally Posted by Peter

Ok. I thought his point was obvious but you didn't seem to get it :shrug:

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I got it. But given how utterly obvious it was, I could only assume I'd missed something.

Thanks for confirming that I hadn't.

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Originally Posted by Peter

I don't seem to have any. My great grandfather claimed to be from Cork but it turns out he was simply a lying, drunken ****.

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so he was irish then???????

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Originally Posted by Peter

I don't seem to have any. My great grandfather claimed to be from Cork but it turns out he was simply a lying, drunken ****.

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You can see how the confusion would have arisen, then.

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Originally Posted by Burney

You can see how the confusion would have arisen, then.

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Indeed. One might easily consider it evidence in support of his claim