Islam is on the march there too, I'm afraid. Just like in Mozambique, Malawi etc.
I think it is the assumption about what I want. For the record, I want the bad guys (the rapists and van hirers) out and the good guys (ye of every faith and creed, bereft of hate, of spite, of greed) to all go for a beer together (or whatever your poison of choice).
How we do this is just details. I leave that to those who are paid to arrange such things.
And without wishing to start the muck spreading, I am getting a bit ****ing sick of you all adopting the American version of the term liberalism as though it were some sort of insult.
Liberalism is a british invention; it enshrined so many of the things we take for granted today as our civil liberties. It is in the USA that it is used as an abusive term to beat the ‘left’ with. I will have no part of it whatsoever.
I am bit ****ing disappointed that Berni hasn’t pointed this out to be honest.
Before all that though, don't you see that it's those very same principles which prevent you from supporting the kind of things that would get them out? It seems you're only whining because you, personally, might get blown up, which seems rather selfish as it fails to take into account any of the other undesirable social aspects. How are you going to throw them out? You couldn't even throw the redgunamos out! And the Islams know it.
B understands, I think, but he is at heart, one of you anyway.
Self-negation. They hate themselves and - by extension - the society whence they sprang. At a truly fundamental and almost unthinking level they believe western civilisation to be inherently and irredeemably corrupt and evil. It's not that they don't like it, it's just that their ideology and education tells them that it's wrong and bad. It therefore follows that anything that destroys that evil is an axiomatic good - even if the belief system that underpins it runs counter to almost all of their ideas of social justice.
The great thing about North London Turks, such as those you grew up with, is that you can go for a beer with them. wd Ataturk. Shame Turkish secularism has just been batted back into the 20th century. :-(
It really might help if contemporary liberalism wasn't so bleedin illiberal, of course. Free speech? LOOOOOOOL! Tolerance for different opinions? ROTFLMAO! and so on.Quote:
And without wishing to start the muck spreading, I am getting a bit ****ing sick of you all adopting the American version of the term liberalism as though it were some sort of insult.
Liberalism is a british invention; it enshrined so many of the things we take for granted today as our civil liberties. It is in the USA that it is used as an abusive term to beat the ‘left’ with. I will have no part of it whatsoever.
Shake we call it #fakeliberal?
I agree, but it's more than that. Nobody really minds a bit of corruption and evil; that's why we elected the Donald. There seems to be a certain special sort of corruption and evil they take exception to, I believe, related to the particular perpetrators of it.
Like the Islamic dress code conundrum; western feminists don't support bans precisely because it is essentially western men proposing them.
Good man A.
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