In a shock move, Corbyn has called off the cross-party Brexit talks.

:hehe: Imagine everyone's surprise, eh?

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Originally Posted by Burney

:hehe: Imagine everyone's surprise, eh?

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She's got to quit, hasn't she? She must quit now. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Burney

:hehe: Imagine everyone's surprise, eh?

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Do you ever wonder what we did wrong to have the two most cretinous party leaders in history in "power" at the same time?

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Do you ever wonder what we did wrong to have the two most cretinous party leaders in history in "power" at the same time?

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Well we voted for them, I suppose. :hide:

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Originally Posted by Burney

Well we voted for them, I suppose. :hide:

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True - democracy, eh. Overrated

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Originally Posted by Sir C

She's got to quit, hasn't she? She must quit now. :shrug:

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Is she really going to try and go through the farce of another vote, knowing she's going to lose it heavily? You'd think not, wouldn't you?

I really am quite convinced she's gone mad, though. Have you seen any pictures of her lately? She looks genuinely awful.

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Do you ever wonder what we did wrong to have the two most cretinous party leaders in history in "power" at the same time?

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If JC were to win the next GE because of his manoeuvring, some might consider that to less than entirely cretinous. Not that I'm predicting that at this point.

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Originally Posted by Burney

Is she really going to try and go through the farce of another vote, knowing she's going to lose it heavily? You'd think not, wouldn't you?

I really am quite convinced she's gone mad, though. Have you seen any pictures of her lately? She looks genuinely awful.

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Not entirely mad, if she is, as I've heard, arguing against the proposed new definition of 'Islamophobia', which would effectively be a re-introduction of blasphemy laws.

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Originally Posted by Ash

If JC were to win the next GE because of his manoeuvring, some might consider that to less than entirely cretinous. Not that I'm predicting that at this point.

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Any election at the moment is a crap shoot. People don't want to vote for Corbyn, but the Tories at the moment seem determined not to do the one thing that could actually win them an election at a canter and have been sufficiently incompetent as to allow Farage back in to demolish their voter base. The tories can elect a Brexiteer as leader, but unless the party is prepared to follow him, nothing will change.

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Not entirely mad, if she is, as I've heard, arguing against the proposed new definition of 'Islamophobia', which would effectively be a re-introduction of blasphemy laws.

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I would argue that even allowing the concept of Islamophobia anywhere near the statute book is a form of madness.

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Originally Posted by Burney

I would argue that even allowing the concept of Islamophobia anywhere near the statute book is a form of madness.

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What about the concept of anti-Semitism?

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Originally Posted by Ash

What about the concept of anti-Semitism?

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Anti-semitism is a racial doctrine. One could reject Judaism completely and an anti-semite will still hate you.
Islam a series of ideas, not a race. Abandon the tenets of Islam and critics of Islam will have no issue with you.

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Originally Posted by Ash

If JC were to win the next GE because of his manoeuvring, some might consider that to less than entirely cretinous. Not that I'm predicting that at this point.

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Fair point but I think he would be winning because of the Tory's inadequacies rather than his own manoeuvering which is far from clever imho

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Anti-semitism is a racial doctrine. One could reject Judaism completely and an anti-semite will still hate you.
Islam a series of ideas, not a race. Abandon the tenets of Islam and critics of Islam will have no issue with you.

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But the urge to define anti-Semitism as any criticism of Israel (and not of people with Jewish DNA), and to enshrine that in law, IS similar to the urge to define Islamophobia as any criticism of Islam.

Besides, anti-Semites will say that if "The Joos" abandon their schemes to rule the world then they'll have no further issue with them.

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But the urge to define anti-Semitism as any criticism of Israel (and not of people with Jewish DNA), and to enshrine that in law, IS similar to the urge to define Islamophobia as any criticism of Islam.

Besides, anti-Semites will say that if "The Joos" abandon their schemes to rule the world then they'll have no further issue with them.

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I think criticism of Israel is OK. However, calling for its destruction while using the term zionist when you mean 'Jew' is not.

Also, there are lots more repressive and unjust states on earth than Israel. If you choose to ignore those and focus particularly on the perceived shortcomings of the only Jewish state on earth, you can hardly be surprised when people are suspicious of your motives.