Those poor chaps killed in the RJ85 incident in Colombia.

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12-02-2016, 10:43 AM
Sir C

Those poor chaps killed in the RJ85 incident in Colombia.

This, my friends, is why one should think twice before chartering aircraft in the third world.

Dear Lord, the whole thing was an absolute writhing bag of demented stupidity :-(
12-02-2016, 10:49 AM
Monty92

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Originally Posted by Sir C

This, my friends, is why one should think twice before chartering aircraft in the third world.

Dear Lord, the whole thing was an absolute writhing bag of demented stupidity :-(

What actually happened? Ran out of fuel AND an electrical failure?

I was always under the impression that if you run out of fuel you just glide in. No probs, really.
12-02-2016, 10:50 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Monty92

What actually happened? Ran out of fuel AND an electrical failure?

I was always under the impression that if you run out of fuel you just glide in. No probs, really.

Electrical failure was because of no fuel presumably.
12-02-2016, 10:52 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Sir C

This, my friends, is why one should think twice before chartering aircraft in the third world.

Dear Lord, the whole thing was an absolute writhing bag of demented stupidity :-(

I liked the way he was too embarrassed to tell ground control that he was on fumes, so just carried on circling for 13 precious minutes instead. Good work.
12-02-2016, 10:59 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by Burney

Electrical failure was because of no fuel presumably.

Well, first of all, 'running out of fuel' is such an incredibly, unbelievably, ridiculously, mentally loony thing to do in an airliner, that to achieve it means actively, consciously and knowingly breaking the law before you launch and then again during the flight. I won't go into the technical details but you have to work really hard on the paperwork to disguise the fact that you're likely to approach your destination without loads, plenty, tons of fuel, never mind, 'very little'.

The old 146/RJ has 4 wing tanks feeding direct tank to engine, and because of the anhedral the centre tanks tend to vent slightly into the outers, so they empty first - and the generators run off engines 2 and 3. Which is a slightly unfortunate design, but ho-hum. So when 2 and 3 quit the gennies died and they were left with battery power only, which is only enough to run a basic T-panel and primary nav. They were floating around in between mountains, at night, int he weather, with no primary radar contact, with black EFIS and no FMS... fúcking hell, no wonder they were screaming.

The company was about to go broke and was desperately looking for investors. It was the owner of the company who decided to skipper the flight and not make an expensive fuel stop...
12-02-2016, 11:02 AM
Brentwood

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Originally Posted by Burney

Electrical failure was because of no fuel presumably.

Call off the black box search

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world...-a3409886.html
12-02-2016, 11:09 AM
Monty92

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Originally Posted by Brentwood

Call off the black box search

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world...-a3409886.html

I'd like to access all Arias, imo.

Well, not know, obviously.
12-02-2016, 11:25 AM
PSRB

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Well, first of all, 'running out of fuel' is such an incredibly, unbelievably, ridiculously, mentally loony thing to do in an airliner, that to achieve it means actively, consciously and knowingly breaking the law before you launch and then again during the flight. I won't go into the technical details but you have to work really hard on the paperwork to disguise the fact that you're likely to approach your destination without loads, plenty, tons of fuel, never mind, 'very little'.

The old 146/RJ has 4 wing tanks feeding direct tank to engine, and because of the anhedral the centre tanks tend to vent slightly into the outers, so they empty first - and the generators run off engines 2 and 3. Which is a slightly unfortunate design, but ho-hum. So when 2 and 3 quit the gennies died and they were left with battery power only, which is only enough to run a basic T-panel and primary nav. They were floating around in between mountains, at night, int he weather, with no primary radar contact, with black EFIS and no FMS... fúcking hell, no wonder they were screaming.

The company was about to go broke and was desperately looking for investors. It was the owner of the company who decided to skipper the flight and not make an expensive fuel stop...

Watched one of those Aircraft Investigations programs and for some reason they calculated the fuel in old money rather than metric (or the other way around) and promptly ran out of fuel and crashed
12-02-2016, 11:33 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by PSRB

Watched one of those Aircraft Investigations programs and for some reason they calculated the fuel in old money rather than metric (or the other way around) and promptly ran out of fuel and crashed

Yes, the old litres versus kilos issue.

It's all done by weight these days.