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Oh look here comes the Army.
The army's always there, P. Watching. Waiting..Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
Well quite. What the cretins who say that ignore is the extent to which Islamic terrorism has already changed our lives. Security at airports, armed police on the streets, an increased acceptance of state monitoring of our lives - all these things have changed our way of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
If them not changing our way of life is your benchmark for us winning, we lost ages ago.
I'm not sure. Isn't that mostly stuff we were doing, or at least would like to have been doing, anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
People didn't want war, everybody wanted peace. Well, this is what peace typically looks like :shrug:
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
But I think the Muslim community need to understand and accept that unfortunately they will need to experience some inconvenience because of actions of some people doing/saying things in the name of their religion.
But everyone is so ****ing touchy about offending anybody.
I am pretty sure there are tragedies that could or would be averted if somebody stepped in to say something rather than living in fear of being branded a racist.
The statutory legitimisation of offence-taking has been a disaster. People are entitled to believe whatever the hell they want. However, they are not entitled to expect others to respect those beliefs and they are certainly not entitled to enact those beliefs in such a way that it impinges upon the day-to-day operation of a modern, liberal, secular society. These things you would have thought were self-evident, but instead society has twisted itself into knots to accommodate the entirely incompatible belief system of a particular religious group. The result has been chaos, resentment and entrenched division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
There's the essential contradiction, right there, I'm afraid. Where do you imagine people that get all upset at a bit of name-calling and one or two squaddies on street corners are going to gather the necessary resolve to take serious, cold-blooded, hard-hearted measures from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
If we were that way inclined, we wouldn't have arrived where we are in the first place.
No. It's stuff that has been enacted in direct response to acts of Islamic terror.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
Are these squaddies likely to be from *gulp* line regiments? It's going to be carnage :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
There's the rub though; they actually are entitled. Otherwise, what does modern, liberal and secular actually mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Well what it should mean is a society that has a clear idea of its own values and is free and tolerant up to the point at which it is threatened. At that point, it should be confident enough to act ruthlessly in its own defence. We've made the mistake of thinking 'tolerant' means 'prepared to tolerate anything in defence of some vague idea of inclusivity'. It doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
Airport security has always been a thing, machine gun-toting police have long been a feature of both supermarkets in Benidorm and football matches in Germany and nobody forces anybody to tell their life stories to LinkedIn or Facebook, do they.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Wars on terror or whtever-have-you is just a McGuffin, imo. In these matters, solutions very often do predate the problem.
Erm, have you been on a civilian flight since 11th September 2001, r?Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
Whoever is in front of me in the queue for security doesn't appear to have. :furious:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
The amount of ****ing about people do. If you are not ready to go through security they should give you 30 seconds and send you to the back of the queue.
there was some tosser with a 2l bottle of milk in front of me before throwing it away he had a leisurely swig of it.
Taken to its logical conclusion though, it does mean that. I agree that it actually shouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Is it any different than flying with NATO or the Navy? I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by Sir C
Good Lord man, I don't advise flying with the Navy; those chaps have a very bizarre attitude to aircraft - specifically, the landing thereof.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
The only thing worse than a matelot in the flight deck would be a brown job.
r, this happened on a suburban street in Manchester yesterday and no-one sees it as disproportionate or incongruous.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/867278332798390272
It seems undeniable to me that we have come to accept a new definition of normal in response to Islamic terrorism.
The heading of this post is normally interpreted as "we must not change THEIR way of life". Ban the burkha for starters and blame terrorism.
Yesterday of all days Facebook was awash with some crappy footage of some Oz broad bawling out someone in a "racist attack". This is somehow given equivalence with a sectarian and racist attack which leaves 22 people dead.
I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time. For example, Manchester has serious gang troubles too, doesn't it? Drugs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
It's no secret, the police business is in rude health. What of it?
A small inconvenience perhaps, nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
It seems to me that, for all the talk of "values", the main problem is that we don't really have any anymore. Or at least, people want to make them up as they go along, to suit, but then wish to reserve the right to go all gooey when everyone else, naturally, wants to do the same.
The link between the two appears lost on people.
Excellent article in the Telegraph today by Allison Pearson. That woman is good:
"Even before their bodies were cold, the great and the good were crowding on to the airwaves to murmur their slef-soothing mantras about hope being better than fear, strong, vibrant communities., keep clam and carry on, business as usual.
How dare they. They insult the dead who deserve their country to be outraged and anguished on their behalf. Why should we be calm when our children are considered a legitimate target for mass murder?
The Government... needs to channel justifiable public anger into drastic action."