Being an Arsenal fan at the moment is a bit like having a new sexual partner after

years with the same one. The thrill is not so much in the fact that it's better flesh as different flesh.

I mean, it’s not as if we haven’t been here before in recent memory, considering the possibility we’re ready to challenge. People talk as if we’ve been totally devoid of hope for years and years, but in actual fact last season was the first in which there wasn’t a single period where it looked possible that we might challenge.

So while the current optimism is entirely natural and justified, it does feel a bit like people are simply enjoying the fact they’re getting to stick it in a new bird for the first time in years. Alas, the new bird won’t be a new bird forever.

Anyway, all of which is to say I’m not really sure what would represent progress under the new fella, but I don’t think we’re quite there yet, unless you measure progress as ‘anything different that isn’t demonstrably worse’. I guess being in touch with the top by the end of October already feels like a step forward, but ultimately anything short of returning us to the CL will have to be considered 'not progress'. And no armchair analysis about "improved work rate" or "the midfielder we've been waiting for" will change that.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

Anyway, all of which is to say I’m not really sure what would represent progress under the new fella...

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What? Like having more points? Higher up the table?

And. Everyone likes a bit of strange, Shirley?

Judge him in May. Etc.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

years with the same one. The thrill is not so much in the fact that it's better flesh as different flesh.

I mean, it’s not as if we haven’t been here before in recent memory, considering the possibility we’re ready to challenge. People talk as if we’ve been totally devoid of hope for years and years, but in actual fact last season was the first in which there wasn’t a single period where it looked possible that we might challenge.

So while the current optimism is entirely natural and justified, it does feel a bit like people are simply enjoying the fact they’re getting to stick it in a new bird for the first time in years. Alas, the new bird won’t be a new bird forever.

Anyway, all of which is to say I’m not really sure what would represent progress under the new fella, but I don’t think we’re quite there yet, unless you measure progress as ‘anything different that isn’t demonstrably worse’. I guess being in touch with the top by the end of October already feels like a step forward, but ultimately anything short of returning us to the CL will have to be considered 'not progress'. And no armchair analysis about "improved work rate" or "the midfielder we've been waiting for" will change that.

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Way too much information, old kid. You're inviting me to imagine you having sexual congress, which is a lot.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

years with the same one. The thrill is not so much in the fact that it's better flesh as different flesh.

I mean, it’s not as if we haven’t been here before in recent memory, considering the possibility we’re ready to challenge. People talk as if we’ve been totally devoid of hope for years and years, but in actual fact last season was the first in which there wasn’t a single period where it looked possible that we might challenge.

So while the current optimism is entirely natural and justified, it does feel a bit like people are simply enjoying the fact they’re getting to stick it in a new bird for the first time in years. Alas, the new bird won’t be a new bird forever.

Anyway, all of which is to say I’m not really sure what would represent progress under the new fella, but I don’t think we’re quite there yet, unless you measure progress as ‘anything different that isn’t demonstrably worse’. I guess being in touch with the top by the end of October already feels like a step forward, but ultimately anything short of returning us to the CL will have to be considered 'not progress'. And no armchair analysis about "improved work rate" or "the midfielder we've been waiting for" will change that.

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A bit like your old partner only wanting to do it in 1 position, would never try out anything new or exciting and always left you thinking how much better it could have been over the last few years? You now get a new partner who seems as though they want to try new things out at least once, and if it is something that doesn't give you pleasure will change if before you finish so that you get a happy ending??

Absolutely. But the current assumption is that
different equals better. The thrill of the new.

His early substitutions are different to Wenger’s, but whether they are better can only be judged by our long term results. In that regard there’s plenty of cause for optimism, but it nonetheless feels a little premature to say anything more.

If Unai sticks around long enough and ultimately disappoints, we’ll start craving another manager who does things differently, maybe even one a bit more like Wenger :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Pokster

A bit like your old partner only wanting to do it in 1 position, would never try out anything new or exciting and always left you thinking how much better it could have been over the last few years? You now get a new partner who seems as though they want to try new things out at least once, and if it is something that doesn't give you pleasure will change if before you finish so that you get a happy ending??

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Absolutely. But the current assumption is that
different equals better. The thrill of the new.

His early substitutions are different to Wenger’s, but whether they are better can only be judged by our long term results. In that regard there’s plenty of cause for optimism, but it nonetheless feels a little premature to say anything more.

If Unai sticks around long enough and ultimately disappoints, we’ll start craving another manager who does things differently, maybe even one a bit more like Wenger :shrug:

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Not like your obsessed or anything Monty old bean. :hehe:

Have you wondered recently why almost every post you make that is football related is about Wenger leaving and never about the current team, how well or poorly we played, what the new players are like etc etc?

I mean, you do still support Arsenal Football Club, don't you?

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Absolutely. But the current assumption is that
different equals better. The thrill of the new.

His early substitutions are different to Wenger’s, but whether they are better can only be judged by our long term results. In that regard there’s plenty of cause for optimism, but it nonetheless feels a little premature to say anything more.

If Unai sticks around long enough and ultimately disappoints, we’ll start craving another manager who does things differently, maybe even one a bit more like Wenger :shrug:

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I think most fans would have thought things were either going to stay pretty much the same with a new manager or might improve... on current form the later looks to be the case, I don't know anyone who thinks we will win the league but the early signs are that the players are enjoying themselves more and the new manager has improved what we had

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Not like your obsessed or anything Monty old bean. :hehe:

Have you wondered recently why almost every post you make that is football related is about Wenger leaving and never about the current team, how well or poorly we played, what the new players are like etc etc?

I mean, you do still support Arsenal Football Club, don't you?

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You'd probably find that my football related posts have gradually reduced over the years, certainly from before a time when I realised that my razor sharp technical and tactical analysis would be lost on you guys.

But seriously, yes, what an outrageous idea that someone whose affections for his club were strongly tied up with one dominant individual would allow their interest to dissipate once that individual was gone.

Soppy and sentimental, sure. But a big nosed cancer deserving ****? Feels a little harsh :-(

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Originally Posted by Pokster

I think most fans would have thought things were either going to stay pretty much the same with a new manager or might improve... on current form the later looks to be the case, I don't know anyone who thinks we will win the league but the early signs are that the players are enjoying themselves more and the new manager has improved what we had

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Generally agree. I think we look defensively slightly weaker, but that could be explained by the players getting used to the slight tactical changes. Attacking wise things look quite interesting and it is refreshing to see new attacking patterns after so many years of the same.

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You'd probably find that my football related posts have gradually reduced over the years, certainly from before a time when I realised that my razor sharp technical and tactical analysis would be lost on you guys.

But seriously, yes, what an outrageous idea that someone whose affections for his club were strongly tied up with one dominant individual would allow their interest to dissipate once that individual was gone.

Soppy and sentimental, sure. But a big nosed cancer deserving ****? Feels a little harsh :-(

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I probably had as much of a hard on for Vieira as you did for Wenger but when we sold him I was glad because I could see the degradation in his play and it hurt me to watch it.

The same happened to me with Wenger from about 2010-2012 and by 2012 I came to the conclusion that for the good of the club and Wenger himself, he needed to go. Now each year post 2012 there was some point in the season when I found something that gave me hope that I was wrong and that he was about to turn it around. And every time I was wrong.

You just need to grow up a bit, Monty. Or address your mental health issues, there's loads of support about nowadays. :nod:

Relax m, and learn to enjoy life under a new regime. We could be 10th by January but it wouldn't matter that much in the new mans tenure. He's already proven that a fresh start brings a new lift. The entire club has a spring in its step and his tinkering with the squad can only be assessed as minor at this point. It's unlikely that any manager coming in will be ever be able to hold a candle to Wenger's achievements, which itself brings its own pressures. Who'd not feel intimidated by following that act ?
Most of us thought we'd have a difficult season, he'll no doubt continue to strengthen the squad, even though funding looks to be an issue, but lets at least give him some credit for getting a new tune out of an old fiddle.

Things that have improved under Unai so far:
1) we have the defensive midfielder we have needed for so long and that Wenger consistently refused to buy often then forcing players into the role who didn't really fit i.e. Arteta, Xhaka
2) he's getting rid of Ramsey
3) it was mentioned on Sky the other day and even though it hadn't occurred to me I think they were right, we seem fitter
4) you can see young players getting better i.e. Iwobi, Bellerin, who seemed to be stagnating under Wenger
5) he's getting rid of Ramsey
6) Poorly performing players are being hooked early on i.e. Ramsey, Ozil
7) he makes more daring substitutions and his substitutions are having an impact, much more so than under Wenger
8) he's getting rid of Ramsey

Things that look worse under Unai so far:
1) we're more open at the back although I would argue that our defending when we are under pressure seems better; possibly because of Torreira, possibly because the players are in better positions to recover
2) we still don't look comfortable playing out from the back and 1) is often because of mistakes made when we're doing it
3) it isn't yet absolutely certain that he's getting rid of Ramsey

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Things that have improved under Unai so far:
1) we have the defensive midfielder we have needed for so long and that Wenger consistently refused to buy often then forcing players into the role who didn't really fit i.e. Arteta, Xhaka
2) he's getting rid of Ramsey
3) it was mentioned on Sky the other day and even though it hadn't occurred to me I think they were right, we seem fitter
4) you can see young players getting better i.e. Iwobi, Bellerin, who seemed to be stagnating under Wenger
5) he's getting rid of Ramsey
6) Poorly performing players are being hooked early on i.e. Ramsey, Ozil
7) he makes more daring substitutions and his substitutions are having an impact, much more so than under Wenger
8) he's getting rid of Ramsey

Things that look worse under Unai so far:
1) we're more open at the back although I would argue that our defending when we are under pressure seems better; possibly because of Torreira, possibly because the players are in better positions to recover
2) we still don't look comfortable playing out from the back and 1) is often because of mistakes made when we're doing it
3) it isn't yet absolutely certain that he's getting rid of Ramsey

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That's all lovely. As long as you're aware of the risk that "better substitutions" becomes the new "4th placed trophy".

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Originally Posted by Monty92

That's all lovely. As long as you're aware of the risk that "better substitutions" becomes the new "4th placed trophy".

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Actually, given that a top 4 finish and above Tottenham is the best we can hope for this season, it will be interesting to hear how this is much better when Emery does it than it was when AW did it FOR EIGHTEEN FÙCKING YEARS!

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Actually, given that a top 4 finish and above Tottenham is the best we can hope for this season, it will be interesting to hear how this is much better when Emery does it than it was when AW did it FOR EIGHTEEN FÙCKING YEARS!

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There was the idea that only Wenger could achieve this, I suppose. Whereas perhaps a different manager might've even actually won us the European Cup six or seven years ago.

Who knows. Who can say.

It's freedom. That is, it's freedom from, as much as it is freedom to. As though you never really liked the bird in the first place but cheery fate and realistic circumstances arranged themselves so that you ended up being stuck with her for a considerable length of time. Anyway, far longer than anyone'd imagined possible.

I feel we are free to be just a football team again, rather than some sort of Elsässisches soccerball-related socio-economic science project. Once again we can watch a young Arsenal player make a simple pass against Abingdon Town in the Carling Cup without speculating as to whether he'll be able to do that in the Champions League final in five years time against Real Madrid. Or even for Real Madrid.

I'm not sure it's about progress; that sounds like a straw man argument, at least where actual football is concerned. Off the pitch, of course, the club has taken a quantum leap forward, in no small part thanks to Wenger.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

years with the same one. The thrill is not so much in the fact that it's better flesh as different flesh.

I mean, it’s not as if we haven’t been here before in recent memory, considering the possibility we’re ready to challenge. People talk as if we’ve been totally devoid of hope for years and years, but in actual fact last season was the first in which there wasn’t a single period where it looked possible that we might challenge.

So while the current optimism is entirely natural and justified, it does feel a bit like people are simply enjoying the fact they’re getting to stick it in a new bird for the first time in years. Alas, the new bird won’t be a new bird forever.

Anyway, all of which is to say I’m not really sure what would represent progress under the new fella, but I don’t think we’re quite there yet, unless you measure progress as ‘anything different that isn’t demonstrably worse’. I guess being in touch with the top by the end of October already feels like a step forward, but ultimately anything short of returning us to the CL will have to be considered 'not progress'. And no armchair analysis about "improved work rate" or "the midfielder we've been waiting for" will change that.

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Being an Arsenal fan at the moment is a bit like having a new sexual partner after years with the same one.

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From the man who rode one woman in his life and ended up where he is now.

:clap:

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3) it was mentioned on Sky the other day and even though it hadn't occurred to me I think they were right, we seem fitter
4) you can see young players getting better i.e. Iwobi, Bellerin, who seemed to be stagnating under Wenger

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3. You do realise in certain quarters when improved and perhaps more intensive training sessions result in an improved physical output it simply MUST be drugs.

4. Too soon. Both have done very well in a short period. Not sure we ca really say they are better footballers, just performing better at this moment in time.

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3. You do realise in certain quarters when improved and perhaps more intensive training sessions result in an improved physical output it simply MUST be drugs.

4. Too soon. Both have done very well in a short period. Not sure we ca really say they are better footballers, just performing better at this moment in time.

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Agreed on 4. With respect to 3, do I look like an obsessed Belgian?

Oh, hold on. :-(