When is the Labour manifesto released? Eagerly awaiting to see how much

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Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman

Gotcha. Shouting whataboutery is what Monty also does when he has no counterpoint to offer.

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Interesting that while C, courageously and as civilised as ever, takes up the baton to politely discuss the evidence with me, B himself, who came up with the assertion and said that all us lefties must agree with it as no-one had disputed said assertion thus far, is no where to be seen now I've spent an hour going through a dozen or more sets of figures and have proved that he's speaking complete bøllocks.

Strange, that.

I wonder if me having all the tabs still open and being able to screengrab the graphs in seconds to support my data has anything to do with it?

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Originally Posted by Ash

I'm not sure that Monty is the worst offender tbf.

as we know, an argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition. Argument is an intellectual process. Shouting whataboutery is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

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Do a search on the phrase whatabout - 8 results all told and here's the score

Sir C - 4
Berni - 2
Jorge - 1
BGM -1

So actually Sir C is demonstrably the worst offender.

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

Interesting that while C, courageously and as civilised as ever, takes up the baton to politely discuss the evidence with me, B himself, who came up with the assertion and said that all us lefties must agree with it as no-one had disputed said assertion thus far, is no where to be seen now I've spent an hour going through a dozen or more sets of figures and have proved that he's speaking complete bøllocks.

Strange, that.

I wonder if me having all the tabs still open and being able to screengrab the graphs in seconds to support my data has anything to do with it?

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Oh it may take him longer to piece his data together but he'll be back with his own data to refute your findings at some time I should think. It is terribly unfair when you young chaps can scour the web as efficiently as you do :-D

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Originally Posted by Ash

You what? Revolver was 1966.

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Yes. But the rate was introduce in the war, reduced slightly afterwards and kept at that level.

Think. If Wilson had suddenly whacked it up in '64, then the Beatles wouldn't be singing that Wilson and Heath were the same, would they?

Simple Primary Source analysis.

Here, if you don't believe me:

The highest rate of income tax peaked in the Second World War at 99.25%. It was then slightly reduced and was around 90% through the 1950s and 60s.

In 1971 the top rate of income tax on earned income was cut to 75%. A surcharge of 15% kept the top rate on investment income at 90%.[17] In 1974 the cut was partly reversed and the top rate on earned income was raised to 83%

Thus, the Sainted C is wrong to blame that 95% tax rate on the Labour govt. Then inherited it in 1964 and kept it the same for their whole 6 years in power.

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Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman

Oh it may take him longer to piece his data together but he'll be back with his own data to refute your findings at some time I should think. It is terribly unfair when you young chaps can scour the web as efficiently as you do :-D

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I don't think even B is swivel-eyed enough to dispute the data I got from the ONS and HM Treasury's Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses (PESA) on the grounds that some comment underneath Guido Fawkes says otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Herbert Augustus Chapman

Oh it may take him longer to piece his data together but he'll be back with his own data to refute your findings at some time I should think. It is terribly unfair when you young chaps can scour the web as efficiently as you do :-D

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The point is that whatever statistics anyone wants to throw at the matter won’t change the reality that socialism always ends with poor *******s having their testes coshed. Because it never, ever works. It’s a system that fails to take into account, or care about, basic human wualities like responsibility, ambition, compassion and decency. The only way it can be implemented is via coercion.

To add insult to injury, after you’ve suffered the gulags and the electrodes, you end up having to eat your pets. :venezuela:

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Originally Posted by Sir C

you end up having to eat your pets. :venezuela:

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Originally Posted by IUFG

yes, yes, but riddle me this, gg...when is this incessant fúcking rain going to stop?

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About 1am over my way by the looks of it, too fúckíng late to walk down the pub then :shout:

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Originally Posted by Sir C

The point is that whatever statistics anyone wants to throw at the matter won’t change the reality that socialism always ends with poor *******s having their testes coshed. Because it never, ever works. It’s a system that fails to take into account, or care about, basic human wualities like responsibility, ambition, compassion and decency. The only way it can be implemented is via coercion.

To add insult to injury, after you’ve suffered the gulags and the electrodes, you end up having to eat your pets. :venezuela:

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:nono: Not necessarily.

Illiteracy rates:
2006 13.0%, 2018 2.4%

Unemployment rates
2006 9.2%, 2018 4.1%

Moderate poverty rates
2006 60.6%, 2018 34.6%

Extreme poverty rates
2006 38.2%, 2018 15.2%


#Bolivia

It's ok, though. Fascist death squads will soon be doing again what they always do in Latin America and making it free for the local oligarchs and US corporations to crush the poor and dine on their, erm, precious bodily fluids. And nick all the lithium, obviously.

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Originally Posted by Ash

:nono: Not necessarily.

Illiteracy rates:
2006 13.0%, 2018 2.4%

Unemployment rates
2006 9.2%, 2018 4.1%

Moderate poverty rates
2006 60.6%, 2018 34.6%

Extreme poverty rates
2006 38.2%, 2018 15.2%


#Bolivia

It's ok, though. Fascist death squads will soon be doing again what they always do in Latin America and making it free for the local oligarchs and US corporations to crush the poor and dine on their, erm, precious bodily fluids. And nick all the lithium, obviously.

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And the rigged election? Was that all a CIA plot?

Is your argument here that socialism works because Bolivia? Would you like some examples osprey socialism failing? You don’t need m ego list them really, do you?

Fascist death squads indeed.