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June 2016: Leave wins referendum
June 2017: Public given chance to vote for pro-leave or pro-remain parties at General Election. Pro-leave parties win 84% of the vote share
August 2017: Opinion polls show 70% of people want UK to honour the referendum result, regardless of which way they voted
And yet absolute ****s like this STILL claim there's no mandate for leaving. Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.
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I'm hearing we are likely to get a chance to vote on everything again in October. Find that pretty hard to believe but I am being assured by someone I trust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Really? And what happens between now and then to make that conceivable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Does this Chapman cvnt realise what an deranged bedwetter he sounds like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
I heard there is an attempt to set up a new party to specifically reverse the referendum result. The name? Democratic Party. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
yep - as much as I would agree with the efforts to reverse Brexit/stop it* happening a little bit of self awareness would not go amiss there would it. Useless ****Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
*and I would count myself among the 70 per cent who want the referendum honoured
Well, the PM dissolving parliament and telling the Queen would be the obvious first step. If that doesn't happen within the next month then October is out. If October is out then this year is probably out and we are into April/May.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Certainly if it is going to happen the Conservatives would want a short campaign. I would be stunned if they went in again with May in charge but that is the rumour.
I don't particularly want it honoured but I believe it needs to be. I also don't want to have to deal with the fall out of it being ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
Yes "want" is possibly the wrong word. Though, while I would understand why the you can't just have referendums willy-nilly, it's very interesting that people like Monty who evoke the whole "it's the will of the people" meme, are absolutely terrified that that the will of people in August 2017 might be sufficiently different to that of June 2016, to reverse the decision. Funny old game democracyQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Well it was a very tight decision in the first place. It may well go the other way if we did it again (I suspect not, but you never know).Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
On balance, they waited ****ing years for a vote and they won it, albeit narrowly. Kind of has to happen now if only to honour the process.
be an absolute catastrophe. The leavers were only having a laugh anyway. Even Berni accepts we can't really leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
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QUOTE=Luis Anaconda;4173124]Yes "want" is possibly the wrong word. Though, while I would understand why the you can't just have referendums willy-nilly, it's very interesting that people like Monty who evoke the whole "it's the will of the people" meme, are absolutely terrified that that the will of people in August 2017 might be sufficiently different to that of June 2016, to reverse the decision. Funny old game democracy[/QUOTE]
Were they having a laugh at the General Election too, when 84% of them voted for pro-leave parties?
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Originally Posted by Herbette Chapman - aged 15
84% of them voted for the two main parties, just as they have in every election in british history. That tells you precisely nothing, particularly as neither party was pro-leave at the previous election or the referendum itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
They both undertook to honour the referendum- that is all. If you think the option of voting for the hopelessly disgraced Lib Dems was a realistic one for a remain voter you really don't understand how british politics works.
"That is all" :hehe:
Yeah, just a tiny manifesto pledge. Should have been in the small print, really.
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Originally Posted by Herbette Chapman - aged
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Originally Posted by Peter
There is a difference between 'pro-leave' and honouring the referendum. Can you not see that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
If they were both pro-leave why would there be any problem with the tiny majority? The Labour Party is not pro-leave and never has been.
Its leader was, though, for decades all the way up to last June. Feckin turncoat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
But if the parties are both for honouring the result of the referendum, even if through gritted teeth, and as the MPS almost unanimously were when they voted, they should all get on with it make the best of it rather than continuing the project fear in the hope that the process can somehow be stopped.
It seems that many remainers desperately want this to be true, and hope that if they keep repeating it it will come true, rather than using their energies to work out the best future outside the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbette Chapman - aged 15
The best future outside the EU probably involves the EU no longer existing. So those most committed to it should focus on destroying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Funny old game etc :)
They will....I think. The bigger test for Labour would be if they actually won an election. Corbyn would face tremendous pressure from his parliamentary party to consider a second referendum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Well, if Germany has to suffer adverse results of US sanctions against Russia because Poland approves, there may well be entropy in the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
:hehe: He should pay more attention to their working class leave voters who will desert the party for ever if they are betrayed. And these are the same PLPers presumably who had been trying to knife JC since he won the leadership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
This is why Corbyn is staying firm on a full Brexit. If they betray their working class support, those voters will disappear forever. If they betray their middle class support, they'll stick with them because the alternative is the Tories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
The very same, yes. They can go Fock themselves when you are in opposition. The minute they are your majority you have to listen to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Remember corbyn cares little for this ****. He is more concerned with how Westminster governs Britain.
He should purge the phuckers. Drain the swamp!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
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Originally Posted by Ash
Let us put it another way. No leaver has actually come up with a path that actually leads to leaving being of genuine benefit.
Of course there is a mandate to leave, but not a mandate for much else. It was a spectacularly stupid question to ask, because only one of the answers gave a clear way forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
That is your opinion. though it sounds to me as if you are saying "Nah nah I'm not listening!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberto Balsam Rodriguez
The question wasn't stupid, and it was clear. Leave means leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC East
God, I'm bored of repeating this.
Should be forced to repeat it until it make some sense though, which it will never do. It doesn't - or does only as much as frankfurter means frankfurter. It is an absolutely ludicrous position to hold - leave should have meant something, people should have been given more to vote on than just a rejection of an idea. People essentially voted for a vacuum at the heart of our government and yet you still nonchalantly dismiss people who say this might have been bad idea as "Project Fear" - another utterly stupid concept. Anyway - enjoy the match, a. Chat Monday :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Seems remarkably simple. I wonder what those armies of negotiators for both sides are talking about and why people think it will take years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Someone should tell them to just leave because that's what people voted for. :nod:
Of course it's my opinion. I'm more than happy to be proved wrong. It is our future FFS. It is clear that we are going to leave so how can we make it a success. I've seen nothing to suggest that it will be for the foreseeable future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
If you have something to suggest, please do enlighten rather than just coming up with a nonsensical response?
Means as much as 'brexit means brexit'Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
"Brexit means Brexit" means exactly what every single key player in the leave campaign (not to mention Cameron, Osborne and many others on the remain side) stated it meant pre-referendum and what they continue to state it means today :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
The precise way in which we extricate ourselves from the EU institutions that we must leave for Brexit to mean Brexit was not on the ballot paper and neither you nor anyone else would seriously suggest it should have been.
No, it is a politician's answer designed to do nothing but avoid the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
It is not a question of precise extrication, it is a question of fundamentals- the single market, freedom of movement, trade agreements. And I did point out, before the referendum, that it was a little unfair that leavers were being asked to take a leap in the dark- a tiny bit of detail would have made for a more balanced debate. In the end it didn’t matter and people took the gamble anyway.
Either way…. You can make all the excuses you like. The fact is that the statement Brexit means Brexit says precisely nothing and is precisely designed to do so. It is an answer to a question that wants to know what Brexit means- at this stage, the government still don’t really have a clue. So how can it possibly mean anything?
Thank you, Peter. I started to provide pretty much that explanation to dear Monty and then figured it was a waste of my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Nice to see you aren't that busy. :-)
Wonderful goal from the lad Ramsey on Friday. Always liked him :DQuote:
Originally Posted by World's End Stella
Brexit means and always meant leaving the single market, customs union and ECJ and ending freedom of movement. And, of course, negotiating the best trade deal possible with the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
What more did you want?
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Originally Posted by Peter
Shocking defending, ball from Xhaka was in the air for ages and still no one cut it out. Nice finish all the same. Now if only he could learn how to play in midfield. :-)
Right, yet whenever asked that, specifically, she says 'Brexit means Brexit'. What does that tell you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Politicians will always give you a straight answer if they can because they know full well they are hardly ever able to do so. Whenever they avoid answering there is a reason.