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09-03-2018, 12:17 PM
Just Trent

Cook gone

Last game at the Oval
09-03-2018, 12:20 PM
Ash

So now we have no opening batsmen at all.
09-03-2018, 12:24 PM
Just Trent

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Originally Posted by Ash

So now we have no opening batsmen at all.

Another promotion for Moeen :-)
09-03-2018, 12:27 PM
Tony C

Stick Buttler up front :cloud9: :war: :viking: :shout:
09-03-2018, 12:43 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by Just Trent

Last game at the Oval

Going to be at his last Test :) Although I rather want to see Kohli bat
09-03-2018, 12:45 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by Ash

So now we have no opening batsmen at all.

Burns and Gubbins in, put Jennings at 3, Root 4, Stokes 5, Buttler 6, Ali 7 (Bairstow can **** right off after his strop this week), Woakes 8, Curran 9, Broad 10, Anderson 11 - sorted
09-03-2018, 12:55 PM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Burns and Gubbins in, put Jennings at 3, Root 4, Stokes 5, Buttler 6, Ali 7 (Bairstow can **** right off after his strop this week), Woakes 8, Curran 9, Broad 10, Anderson 11 - sorted

We can’t play someone called ‘Gubbins’, la. :-(
09-03-2018, 01:38 PM
7sisters

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Originally Posted by Burney

We can’t play someone called ‘Gubbins’, la. :-(

Did we not have Batty and Sidebottom in a starting 11 ?
09-03-2018, 01:40 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

Did we not have Batty and Sidebottom in a starting 11 ?

Possible not at the same time. We have a Willey and Ball in the one-day squad at the moment
09-03-2018, 01:45 PM
7sisters

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Possible not at the same time. We have a Willey and Ball in the one-day squad at the moment

I'm afraid none of this gets close to watching Young Boys playing at the w*nkdorf
09-03-2018, 01:46 PM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Possible not at the same time. We have a Willey and Ball in the one-day squad at the moment

Bit insensitive, la. :-(
09-03-2018, 01:48 PM
Peter

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Going to be at his last Test :) Although I rather want to see Kohli bat

This may sound ungrateful but shouldn't he just **** off? We have a dead rubber to look at someone else ahead of the winter tours.
09-03-2018, 01:49 PM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Peter

This may sound ungrateful but shouldn't he just **** off? We have a dead rubber to look at someone else ahead of the winter tours.

Watching Alistair Cook bat one more time is no-one's idea of a life-enhancing experience.
09-03-2018, 01:50 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by Peter

This may sound ungrateful but shouldn't he just **** off? We have a dead rubber to look at someone else ahead of the winter tours.

This is David Lloyd's view on Twitter and has some merit. I think we will bring in one batsman anyway and the fuss around Cook may take some pressure off whoever that is. Series is won so we can afford to be generous to a legend of the game
09-03-2018, 01:51 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by Burney

Bit insensitive, la. :-(

Sorry b - terribly rude of me
09-03-2018, 01:52 PM
Peter

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

This is David Lloyd's view on Twitter and has some merit. I think we will bring in one batsman anyway and the fuss around Cook may take some pressure off whoever that is. Series is won so we can afford to be generous to a legend of the game

I think its time to have another look at Vince at three :)
09-03-2018, 02:12 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by Peter

I think its time to have another look at Vince at three :)

I'm all for having Bell back before we give that soft **** another go
09-03-2018, 02:23 PM
Peter

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

I'm all for having Bell back before we give that soft **** another go

THere is a similarity between the two isnt there :hehe::hehe:

I do think the selectors are moving about too much. I thought Vince deserved a longer run, Stoneman too. Moeen in and out, the whole Rashid business.
09-03-2018, 02:28 PM
WES

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Originally Posted by Burney

Watching Alistair Cook bat one more time is no-one's idea of a life-enhancing experience.

England's all tie leading run scorer in test cricket, no? Miles ahead of Boycott presumably?
09-03-2018, 02:31 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by Peter

THere is a similarity between the two isnt there :hehe::hehe:

I do think the selectors are moving about too much. I thought Vince deserved a longer run, Stoneman too. Moeen in and out, the whole Rashid business.

Stoneman had a fair run I thought and Mo was playing poorly, break from the team did him good I would say. Just not convinced by Vince, certainly not as a no 3
09-03-2018, 02:37 PM
Burney

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Originally Posted by WES

England's all tie leading run scorer in test cricket, no? Miles ahead of Boycott presumably?

Boycott played 108 tests. Cook has played 160.

Boycott averaged 47.72. Cook averages 44.8.

Cook's been a fine player for England, but he's not in Boycott's league.
09-03-2018, 02:46 PM
Peter

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Stoneman had a fair run I thought and Mo was playing poorly, break from the team did him good I would say. Just not convinced by Vince, certainly not as a no 3

I like him technically. Dont know whether it is a judgement thing or a mental thing (or both) but I tend to think players like that are worth persevering with. However, increasingly in the modern game I am proved wrong.

The thing with Mo is that he is never going to morph into a world class spinner. We know he can do it on his day but not consistently and he doesnt really give you control. The depth he gives to the batting is always going to be a barrier tochancing an arm on someone else and sticking with them.

Not convinced by Jennings at all.
09-03-2018, 02:47 PM
Peter

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Originally Posted by Burney

Boycott played 108 tests. Cook has played 160.

Boycott averaged 47.72. Cook averages 44.8.

Cook's been a fine player for England, but he's not in Boycott's league.

Uncovered pitches.....

He is in his league. Just not as good.
09-03-2018, 02:50 PM
WES

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Originally Posted by Peter

Uncovered pitches.....

He is in his league. Just not as good.

Surely they must keep track of how quickly you score i.e. runs scored per balls faced? Be curious to see how Geoffrey did there. Mind you, one of you experts will tell me something about how cricket has changed and Boycott batted slowly because the game demanded it back then etc etc etc

Or something.
09-03-2018, 02:53 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by Peter

I like him technically. Dont know whether it is a judgement thing or a mental thing (or both) but I tend to think players like that are worth persevering with. However, increasingly in the modern game I am proved wrong.

The thing with Mo is that he is never going to morph into a world class spinner. We know he can do it on his day but not consistently and he doesnt really give you control. The depth he gives to the batting is always going to be a barrier tochancing an arm on someone else and sticking with them.

Not convinced by Jennings at all.

Me neither re Jennings but I think he his worth persevering with as they have invested so much in him
09-03-2018, 02:53 PM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Peter

I like him technically. Dont know whether it is a judgement thing or a mental thing (or both) but I tend to think players like that are worth persevering with. However, increasingly in the modern game I am proved wrong.

The thing with Mo is that he is never going to morph into a world class spinner. We know he can do it on his day but not consistently and he doesnt really give you control. The depth he gives to the batting is always going to be a barrier tochancing an arm on someone else and sticking with them.

Not convinced by Jennings at all.

I increasingly think it’s a concentration thing. If these guys were totally technically inadequate, they’d be getting out for less than 20. Instead, they’re working hard getting themselves in, getting to 20-30 and then I think they’re mentally relaxing and giving their wickets away. I just don’t know if their concentration levels are where they need to be for test match cricket.
09-03-2018, 03:02 PM
Luis Anaconda

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Originally Posted by Burney

I increasingly think it’s a concentration thing. If these guys were totally technically inadequate, they’d be getting out for less than 20. Instead, they’re working hard getting themselves in, getting to 20-30 and then I think they’re mentally relaxing and giving their wickets away. I just don’t know if their concentration levels are where they need to be for test match cricket.

Good point well made imo. Heresy to say it - and could lead to death threats if mentioned to certain cricket writers/fans on Twitter - but an 18 county system really does no favours at all. There is a finite amount of talent spread very thinly - hence you get too many easy periods when you can get away with switching off unlike Test cricket. Of course, you can't say this as obviously one-day and 2020 are to blame totally (which also is a factor of course)
09-03-2018, 03:23 PM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Good point well made imo. Heresy to say it - and could lead to death threats if mentioned to certain cricket writers/fans on Twitter - but an 18 county system really does no favours at all. There is a finite amount of talent spread very thinly - hence you get too many easy periods when you can get away with switching off unlike Test cricket. Of course, you can't say this as obviously one-day and 2020 are to blame totally (which also is a factor of course)

Indeed. I've long advocated a parallel regional competition that takes the best from the various counties and effectively acts as a proving ground for potential test players. The counties would hate it, but it would do players an awful lot of good. At the moment, county cricket is probably weaker competitively than I can ever remember it. It's no wonder batsmen can't concentrate. In county cricket, if you can last to 20-30, the only person who's going to stop you getting to a hundred is you. Test matches are an even bigger step up than ever.
09-03-2018, 04:22 PM
AFC East

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Originally Posted by WES

England's all tie leading run scorer in test cricket, no? Miles ahead of Boycott presumably?

At his peak one of the best openers in the world. Yeah, he's on the slide and has been for awhile, but a class act.
09-03-2018, 04:23 PM
AFC East

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Originally Posted by WES

Surely they must keep track of how quickly you score i.e. runs scored per balls faced? Be curious to see how Geoffrey did there. Mind you, one of you experts will tell me something about how cricket has changed and Boycott batted slowly because the game demanded it back then etc etc etc

Or something.

Boycott scored at around 34 runs per hundred balls. He was at once the dullest, most excruciating thing in sport, and a legend.
09-03-2018, 05:02 PM
Yesterday Once More

Boycott also played in an era where all our opponents took test cricket seriously. West Indies, for example, are a shadow of the force they were in the 70s and 80s. Nowadays we play the likes of Bangladesh, and pf the so-called 'stronger' nations, only Australia and to an extent South Africa really bother to turn up when they play away from home.

Comparing Cook's record to Boycott's, or my boyhood hero John Edrich's (test average 43.5), is similar to comparing Rooney's England goalscoring record to Bobby Charlton's which he overtook.

More matches, against weaker teams.

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