I am not sure the new pelanty shoot out system is fair.

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Originally Posted by Ash

It isn't related to tossing a coin at all because you have absolutely no way of affecting the outcome of the coin. The better you are at taking & saving penalties, and the better you are at maintaining your technique under pressure, the more likelihood that you will succeed, and will have deserved it.

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Yes, but being good at taking or saving penalties isn't a reflection of anything other than being able to take or save penalties. As such, it doesn't reflect anything about the game or the relative abilities of the players and reduces the game itself to meaninglessness. This makes it an enormously unsatisfactory and arbitrary way of settling a game.

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Originally Posted by Burney

This makes it an enormously unsatisfactory and arbitrary way of settling a game.

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30 minutes of ET, if still level, golden goal with reducing amounts of players on the pitch. Goalkeepers have to drink a shot of tequila every two minutes (might not work with the likes of Ali Al-Habsi, but worth a punt imo).

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Originally Posted by IUFG

30 minutes of ET, if still level, golden goal with reducing amounts of players on the pitch. Goalkeepers have to drink a shot of tequila every two minutes (might not work with the likes of Ali Al-Habsi, but worth a punt imo).

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:hehe: how about after ET they bring in double sized goals.

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Originally Posted by Pat Vegas

:hehe: how about after ET they bring in double sized goals.

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And two balls.

Golden goal was rubbish. Really anti-climactic, and just felt wrong.

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Originally Posted by Burney

Yes, but being good at taking or saving penalties isn't a reflection of anything other than being able to take or save penalties. As such, it doesn't reflect anything about the game or the relative abilities of the players and reduces the game itself to meaninglessness. This makes it an enormously unsatisfactory and arbitrary way of settling a game.

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What could reflect the game of football more than smashing the ball past the keeper and into the net?

In redg's absence someone has to stress this point imo.

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Originally Posted by IUFG

30 minutes of ET, if still level, golden goal with reducing amounts of players on the pitch. Goalkeepers have to drink a shot of tequila every two minutes (might not work with the likes of Ali Al-Habsi, but worth a punt imo).

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I like this. Although I like unlimited golden goal time after half an hour with no player reductions. This would force teams to either throw caution to the wind or just die of exhaustion.

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Originally Posted by Ash

What could reflect the game of football more than smashing the ball past the keeper and into the net?

In redg's absence someone has to stress this point imo.

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I agree about golden goal. It was one of those ideas that on paper looks much better, but is in fact rubbish

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Originally Posted by Burney

Yes, but being good at taking or saving penalties isn't a reflection of anything other than being able to take or save penalties. As such, it doesn't reflect anything about the game or the relative abilities of the players and reduces the game itself to meaninglessness. This makes it an enormously unsatisfactory and arbitrary way of settling a game.

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True, but it is an English disease, this notion that it is a lottery/coin toss/no reflection of blah blah blah….

Where two teams have failed to win the game in 120 minutes they resolve it through a test of bottle and one specific skill.

We almost always fail this test. It may render the game meaningless but it does prove one thing- that we, the English, don’t have the bottle for it. Until we accept that and try and address it we will keep losing shoot outs. WE prefer to just write it off as meaningless, a lottery, flip of a coin.

Its *******s.

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Originally Posted by Peter

True, but it is an English disease, this notion that it is a lottery/coin toss/no reflection of blah blah blah….

Where two teams have failed to win the game in 120 minutes they resolve it through a test of bottle and one specific skill.

We almost always fail this test. It may render the game meaningless but it does prove one thing- that we, the English, don’t have the bottle for it. Until we accept that and try and address it we will keep losing shoot outs. WE prefer to just write it off as meaningless, a lottery, flip of a coin.

Its *******s.

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It being arbitrary and unsatisfactory is no excuse for being shįt at it, I agree. Generally speaking, Arsenal do pretty well in penalty shootouts, don't we? Not sure I'd describe us as a particularly bottly club, though.

Perhaps we could even take the thing further in insisting each team designate just one player (obviously its striker or chief penalty-taker) to execute all its kicks until the winner is decided.

Then instead of the tragedy of some poor unknown squad member who's never taken a pen in his life costing his side the match or even a trophy, you have the real drama of a mano a mano contest (not literally obviously, unless one wishes to focus on the goalkeepers, I suppose) between the two teams' Galáctico stranieri; Kun v Alexis, for example, or even Ronaldo versus Messi.

A finer spectacle, imo, and much fairer.

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Originally Posted by Ash

What could reflect the game of football more than smashing the ball past the keeper and into the net?

In redg's absence someone has to stress this point imo.

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