Good things both, but now the sole interest we have left in the league this season is hoping Liverpool don't win it.
Jesus. We really have just turned into Everton, haven't we? :-(
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Good things both, but now the sole interest we have left in the league this season is hoping Liverpool don't win it.
Jesus. We really have just turned into Everton, haven't we? :-(
#justanotherfootballclub
That's all we've been since we relaxed the 'one shirt type for all' on match days ruleQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
#transition - I was watching last night and thinking that I really hope Emery is given the funds (or the drugs) to put us on a par (ish) with those 2 sides. Cracking matchQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
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Originally Posted by Burney
Was there really any confidence that Liverpool would go through the season unbeaten?
True story, i. To think the way people used to moan about PH-W. We were a proper club with proper traditions back then. We've chucked all that in the bin and now look at us. :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
Not really, but until it happens you're bound to worry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberto Balsam Rodriguez
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Originally Posted by Burney
Good, good. Now that, that is over, we can go back to whinging about the Arsenal :-)
Money what done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
PH-W
The club has had to move with the times, embrace modernity, and at the same time try to retain Arsenal’s tradition values. “I remember my father being absolutely horrified at the thought of having perimeter advertising. It was a case of ‘over my dead body’, says the chairman.
There was a risk, they have played most of the decent teams away from home... a win last night could have given them belief they could have done it.... As long as Spurs don't win the league i dont care if City or Liverpool win itQuote:
Originally Posted by Alberto Balsam Rodriguez
I'm not saying it was avoidable - it probably wasn't. However, it is a salutary lesson in how easy it is when seeking to modernise an institution to also remove everything that made it special. Because all those little things seem silly when you're doing well and don't need them, but when you're mediocre and have nothing else to cling to, they matter much, much more.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
But we're rich now. That all that mattress :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I'm just watching that Keys & Gray interview with Veng. He goes all JFK at one point and bemoans the fact that when he arrived at Arsenal, the players used to feel responsible to the club, for bad results and so on. But now it's t'other way about and the club feels responsible to the players; if there's bad results and performances, the club feels it has let the players down and it must do more for them.
Yes, who could've imagined that celebrating the replacement of actual Arsenal players with an endless supply of cheap, foreign mercenaries would lead to this :homer:
Right. Values is difficult whereas almost anybody can make money.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
It's going to be hard for anybody because people start talking about it after a dozen games nowadays. When we did it, I don't remember anyone mentioning Nottingham Forest until the home stretch of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
I remember it a bit differently.. he had mentioned going unbeaten the year before so by Christmas it was being mentioned more.... but that was 14 yrs ago and I am :old:Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
Yes, you're right. Was that serious though? More just banter, I remember. Also :old:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
Hang on, we got almost a decade of service each out of our most successful "cheap foreign mercenaries". That's a pretty good model for success if you can sustain it, which is of course the hard bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
And look what happened when Wenger produced his first world class "actual Arsenal player" - he nearly swerved off the road in his desperation to leave, Jeff.
The first thing we’d need to do with that money is but either Guardiola or KloppQuote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Nah, happy to give him the next summer transfer window and following season for top 4 and another season to challenge, it's taken Klopp 4 seasons and a lot of £££ to get Liverpool anywhere near City's level.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC East
responded to a direct question about whether an unbeaten season was feasible and simply replied that he believed it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
United fans then had their "Comical Wenger" T-shirts printed and that was the most satisfying thing for me with the invincible phenomenon - that AW effectively ****ed off all Man Utd supporters.
You don't get it, do you? We aren't in that league anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC East
Yes. I think his point is that these people are no longer "Arsenal"; they no longer "sents els colors del seu club", as they say in Foreign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
For instance, we never placed any special, uncommon value on Cole's one-of-our-ownness, did we. And so on. Whereas once, it would've been enough to make him captain.
Emery has won considerably more than Klopp has........Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
But Klopp has nicer gnashers, apparentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
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Originally Posted by PSRB
Liverpool have spent a lot of money, but in recent seasons, the have made about £250M by selling Sterling, Suarez and Coutinho, while we have let contracts run down and lost players on the cheap.
True but that's not Emery's fault. Hopefully Ramsey will be the last of these balls upsQuote:
Originally Posted by Alberto Balsam Rodriguez
Off-topic, I would argue that not enough value is placed on Cole generally. For my money, he's the one English player of the last 20 years who would consistently have been there or thereabouts in a World XI. The fact that he was a gobshíte tends to obscure his excellence as a player.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
But this is about perceived worth, not track record. Klopp's stock is currently at a level that would preclude his next step being to us. It would be a step down.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Would it? Much of a muchness, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Are you seriously comparing their records?Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Two league titles with Dortmund v one with PSG.
They're challenging for the league, are in the CL and have just lost their first game this season. They also stuffed us 5-1.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
How are they much of a muchness with us right now?
Lost. all for the sake of £10-£15k a week. Small potatoes nowadays of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
hmmm, Liverpool are considered challengers for the League and also a shoe in for a CL place..... we are struggling to get top 4, have a much weaker squad and look a long way off from where they are at the momentQuote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Having that kind of money would put us back in that league. It's a very simple equation. City weren't in that league either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
That type of money was only ever going to come to us via (the likes of) Usmanov.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC East
And he's fúcked off now.
Yes. Worth bearing in mind any time people feel like getting nostalgic about David Dein, that.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
No, that's very much on topic. Pre-Wenger, Cole is precisely the sort of player who'd have skippered the side for a decade before having a statue raised in his honour outside the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
It would have to be the ground that Wenger built, of course, so I guess it's complicated :homer:
Dunno. You could argue that, like Kenny Sansom, he was a great player, but had the wrong personality for leadership.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incomin...nny-Sansom.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Burney
No, that's what we built the Emirates for. We can't give it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
I think .. :sherlock:
Almost everybody does! That's what Sandhurst is for. Or, in our case, London Colney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney