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Originally Posted by redgunamo

No, it's because that religion still produces lots of children and promotes family life to further encourage that. They are not obsessed with not having children the way we are. Their numbers will help restore some balance to our social policies and behaviour.

We may not agree with it or even like it but we have no choice. Or rather, we had a choice but made the wrong one. We abandoned our own religions without anything viable to replace them and Islam is merely filling that void. Everyone seems to agree that they're all as bad as each other, but as I say, at least Islam is growing.

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But pretending that there is a god and denying women social and economic equality really isn't going to work from this point either. There has to be some other way of making having children a more attractive option. Socialised childcare was always the original suggestion from the left, who are the ones that invented equality and the absence of god in the first place.

But anyway, aren't those malthusian doom-mongers the greens warning us of the fundamental disaster of high populations? And are 'our' numbers really collapsing as dramatically as you claim?

http://www.21stcentech.com/wp-conten...ion-growth.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ash

But pretending that there is a god and denying women social and economic equality really isn't going to work from this point either. There has to be some other way of making having children a more attractive option. Socialised childcare was always the original suggestion from the left, who are the ones that invented equality and the absence of god in the first place.

But anyway, aren't those malthusian doom-mongers the greens warning us of the fundamental disaster of high populations? And are 'our' numbers really collapsing as dramatically as you claim?

http://www.21stcentech.com/wp-conten...ion-growth.jpg

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Oh, certainly. I agree. If the very survival of your liberal and secular and whatnot society isn't an attractive enough option, then there's little more to be said, is there. I'm not sure whether you choose to believe in a god or not is really the issue anymore, is it. The point is that they do.

You could stop them coming in, I suppose, but then, for a start, everyone in Europe would have to vote to say goodbye to their state-funded health services, free schools and all that as well. glwtp, imo. As I say, it's unsustainable, at best, without third world-style birthrates. So we will tolerate, even encourage, whatever the worst is that Islam has to offer, so long as it doesn't interfere with our behaving like gannets at the state subsidies trough.

Our world is becoming more Islamic and quickly too, but there's no sense moaning about it now. We just need to keep chanting "modern, liberal, secular," to ourselves. That should sort it.

As an aside, I think your illustration there is rather vague. How much of those regions, and nations within those regions, is Islamic? Perhaps we could start by asking Donald Trump: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. For my own part, I gather, (he says, consulting his instruments) even Niger has a replacement fertility rate (guzzling brats per empty-headed dollybird, that is) of over 6, compared to the highest rated "western" nations at around 2. Canada and Germany are significantly below even that and there'll be a quarter fewer Italians about in forty years time. Fair enough maybe, but that's beside the point.

In 1970, the so called industrialised world enjoyed twice as big a share of the world's population as the Muslim world: 30% to 15%. By 2000, each had about 20%. Germany has just imported the equivalent of around 40% of it's young, male population from apparently war-torn areas of the developing world. And that's just the numbers they will admit to officially. Under those circumstances, how much longer does "Germany" remain Germany.