https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hting-in-syria
A tribute:
I’ll spend the rest of my life
Livin' in a Jihadi’s paradise
But there ain’t no virgins here
Just 71 versions of my wife :cry:
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hting-in-syria
A tribute:
I’ll spend the rest of my life
Livin' in a Jihadi’s paradise
But there ain’t no virgins here
Just 71 versions of my wife :cry:
:music:
Good - the rap as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
His mates can’t even pour a forty for their fallen homie, since it’s haram. :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Bit harsh, mate. These people are merely products of their barbaric environment. Just ask Peter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
"killed on 17 January during clashes with anti-Isis forces in Deir ez-Zour province in eastern Syria."
Translation: Killed by Assad's boys and The Russians. wd them :thumbup: and eff off the ISIS sponsors, supporters and trainers - Saudi Arabia, Israel, CIA, MI6 etc.
Yes. It’s largely a barbaric environment because of their religion’s barbarism, of course, but that in no way invalidates p’s point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Have you been watching The House of Saud on the Beeb?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Syria is a lot more complicated than that now, a. Everyone’s killing ISIS now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Not in Deir Ezzor province. the Yanqui only operate East of the Euphrates, and they only kill ISIS when ISIS are fighting one of their other proxies. When they've finished fighting them, they bus the survivors away and set them to work fighting the government. Even the BBC has reported on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
It’s good. Although I had to question the naivety of the whistleblower bloke who went to Saudi to oversee a fmdefence contract and was shocked - shocked, I tells ya - to find there were massive backhanders left, right and centre. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Of course. :shrug: The game now is shoring up against Russia, Iran and Syria and everyone’s got deeply unpleasant allies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Yes. With 'allies' like this, who needs enemies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Yes, I felt the same about the chap who ran the luxury travel business and spent years travelling the world on behalf of his Saudi billionaire clients, so oblivious to their nefarious ways that he ended up doing cleaning jobs in local restaurants after he whistle-blew and his business collapsed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Don't be such a pearl-clutcher. They are a necessary ally for entirely moral reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
As opposed to morally spotless allies like Russia, Iran and Assad, you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Willkommen in der Realpolitik.
Oh, yes, he was good. Reading between the lines he was a glorified pimp. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
I will admit to being out of touch with youth culture but I have honestly never heard of this bloke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
yeah, I could see we could have a full and frank exchange of views taking all afternoon on that. I liked the bit where they blackmailed the UK to carry on paying the bribes or else they'd stop "co-operating on intelligence" (ie: send more of their headchoppers into to attack us)Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
I'll take the secular, non-sectarian, arab socialists and christian conservative Rooskies over the Wahhabi headchoppers and their army of the worst thugs and criminals in the world, thanks. Most Syrians support Assad. Less keen on Iran tbf, but gimme a Shia over a Sunni any day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
In geopolitics, everyone plays the best hand they can. No-one said it was nice. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
Fair enough. That's your choice. However, you are essentially admitting that you're prepared to overlook horrific behaviours by all of those parties because you see that as the best way to play Realpolitik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
In other words: no-one gets to play the white hat here. There are no good guys and everyone's dirty as hell. Given which, moral posturing about us, the US or Israel being in bed with Saudi just won't stand up, I'm afraid. :shrug:
What I’ve never understood is the “it’s all about oil” refrain, the insinuation being that the motive for wanting to control oil is purely financial greed, ignoring how it is massively important in shaping geopolitical power structures and therefore the security of the world.
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Originally Posted by Burney
How can killing >400,000 people in an attempt to set up a barbarian caliphate, making 7-11 million people homeless, with 2 million coming to Europe be the best hand available? All for what, exactly? Just to set the ground to do the same thing to Iran as was done to Iraq (estimated over a million dead), and to Libya (a once affluent population reduced to poverty and slavery) or Ukraine (worse off than before the overthrow of the elected govt) or Kosovo (worse off than within Yugoslavia)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
All these stupid wars and interventions and regime changes are complete disasters for everyone except the MIC that profit from them, their mercs, and their presstitutes who finally sell some papers and cheerleaders who get a hard on from destroying countries.
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Right, I need to do some work :wave:
Yes. In a world that runs on oil, securing an oil supply is a really good reason to make alliances or go to war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
Mind you, I've been pointing this out to anti-war types since the first Gulf War, but they still seem to think 'No Blood For Oil' constitutes a good argument against interventions in the Middle East. :shrug:
Weren’t the Iraqi forces under Saddam camped out on the Saudi border at one point ready to seize its oil supply? That would have had a good outcome.
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Originally Posted by Burney
Most of the anti-Assad atrocity porn comes from unverified accounts from actors like the so-called "white helmets" who are basically Al-Qaeda propaganda assets working with the likes of M16 and John McCain with their false flag chemical weapon attacks and "barrel bomb" bull****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Difference between Aleppo and Mosul or Raqqa? The latter had FAR more civilian casualties as are inevitable in urban warfare. Except they weren't reported as such, while the relatively FEWER casualties in Aleppo were constantly touted as a 'war crime' every day because it was Russian airpower not US. The same propaganda BS as happens in every single one of these wars, from the same people that brought us WMD in Iraq.
And breathe.
God, I miss Snin for moments like this.
This is grossly simplistic. ISIS arose not because the US went into Iraq, but because it listened to people like you, bottled it and left, creating a huge power vacuum. Libya - like Syria - was run by a brutal dictator whose populace rebelled against him - the West simply reacted to it. As for Ukraine, the Russians have tried to operate it as a puppet state since 1991, even poisoning its future PM at one point because he wasn't pro-Russian, tried to prevent it signing international agreements (as independent nations are entitled to do) and eventually invaded it in an undeniable act of nakedly imperialist aggression on the basis of a completely unconstitutional referendum. And, in case you didn't notice, the Serbs were murdering thousands of civilians in Kosovo - pretty barbaric, too, I'd have said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
You want to stop looking at everything through your red-tinted glasses, a. Sometimes the Russians are the bad guys.
So you're not even trying to argue that there haven't been atrocities by the side you support? Atrocities you are keen to downplay and minimise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
You're only supporting my point that you are arguing the difference between shït and shíte. :shrug:
Yes. Especially as they burnt the Kuwaiti oilfields in their retreat. Imagine if they'd done the same in Saudi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
It's all about the lesser evil. Just because you choose what you believe to be the lesser evil doesn't mean you don't know it's evil.
What I find weird is the Faustian pact between Saudi Arabia’s wahhabist base and the distinctly unislamic (by conservative standards) Royal Family who by all accounts spend most of their time ****ing whores in their Knightsbridge townhouses rather than following the teachings of the Koran.
Presumably yer average wahhabiist Saudi considers the family to be no less immoral than yer average western Kuffir. Yet they are happy to keep them in power presumably in exchange for the family continuing to fund the spreading of wahhabi ideology around the world.
Does this not stick in their craw a touch?
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Originally Posted by Burney
Of course. It's a devil's bargain whereby the Al-Sauds maintain the highly conservative society and fund the evangelism to appease the Wahabbist clerics in return for the Wahabbists not kicking off in Saudi and letting the Al-Sauds mind their own business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
You should read this for some background on Saudi - amongst other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00OC0YP...ng=UTF8&btkr=1
I have it.
Are you familiar with Ben Shapiro, by the way?
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Originally Posted by Burney
I follow him on Twitter, so to that extent, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
He’s pretty good. An important voice on the right. Credible, serious and never controversial for the sake of it, which undermines so many others.
He’d make Cathy Newman look ike a vapid ****, too.
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Originally Posted by Burney
Like I said, bit busy this afternoon but will refute all this #FakeNews from The Guardian on another day. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I've no doubt that all sides have done bad things. It happens in war and that is why wars should be avoided. This wasn't a civil war, it was an aggression on Syria by external forces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Bottom line is that there is no moral equivalence between the behaviour of ISIS, who are actually killing us on the streets of the UK, and the governments of Syria and Russia who are fighting them.
I prefer his sister tbh>Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuQlpFnlIBE