Too soon?
He does give the impression that he is somewhat clueless, I fear.
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Too soon?
He does give the impression that he is somewhat clueless, I fear.
I’m far less hopeful than when Bruce signed up. The entire club is an utter mass by the look of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
Finally! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
I am genuinely curious to know how on earth this crapstack can be considered a tangible improvement on the status quo ante by the Wengerahti.
If he keeps making the same mistakes for 10 years in a row then get ridQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
‘Mistakes’ that saw us qualifying for the CL most of those years and winning 3 FA Cups. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by barrybueno
Meanwhile, the greasy dago cùnt (GDC) is consigning us inexorably to mid-table mediocrity while playing football you would cross the road to avoid.
Wenger and the board have ultimately put us in this situation through years of mismanagement, paying top dollar for mediocre players and the shambles of running them down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
The bloke with the disabled mouth is merely a scape goat.
:hehe: How long are you going to keep making these pathetic excuses?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
I’ve no sympathy. The likes of you pushed for this shítshow and now you’ve got it you’re STILL pointing the finger at the guy who allowed us to overachieve all those years?
Even so he was a stubborn arrogant **** who had to be moved on, get behind the new guy, get behind the GDC :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Hang on, we allowed Wenger the folly of indulging in second half season collapses for years. He demonstrated zero aptitude for change or delegation to the point where it was absurd to keep him on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
It’s ridiculous to trash the new bloke in these circumstances.
Give him a couple of seasons and show a bit of support. He can only work with what he has and in a fair few cases, that consists of under performing players from Wengers stewardship.
Emery is in all likely a stop gap to the next manager and we may go through several more over the next decade, such is the pace of change.
No, I’m sorry, you don’t get to do that. You don’t get to relentlessly trash the previous manager and his teams for years and then play the ‘Let’s all get behind the team” card as soon as things start getting shít with the new bloke in charge. It’s monstrous hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
I’ll admit that my supposed antipathy to Emery started out as a satirical exercise: holding up a mirror to those who hounded Wenger out to show them what it was like dealing with irrational, spoiled, disloyal people who had become madly fixated on the manager as the source of all our problems.
However, it’s become slightly more complex as it’s grown increasingly clear that the new bloke actually may be a bit shít. Given this, watching those who wanted Wenger out squirm desperately to make excuses for the new guy they’d never have allowed for Wenger has added a whole new level of comedy.
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Originally Posted by Burney
I don't think we overachieved under Wenger. He was a revolutionary coach who almost single handedly changed the landscape for training and player recruitment. Others followed and those with more money, overtook him.
To be fair....He’s having to make do with Wenger’s sloppy seconds and hampered by Ivan’s stupidity.
Koscielny should not be playing. The man needs physiotherapist everyday for the rest of life but we’re forced to play him.
Mustafi was too sh it for Everton. Should’ve seen him coming a mile off.
Xhaka - been saying it since he arrived - how did he get into the Bundesliga team if the year??
Bellend - spoilt entitled millennial
Ozil - a bull shi tter of the highest order. Makes 1 pass and then faffs about for the other 89 minutes. You would think he would man up and get back into the side but he can’t bothered. No respect whatsoever for his team mates who have to go into battle without him.
They all need to go.
As for Ivan - Torreira earns 50k a week but Jenkinson is on £62k.
Couldn’t make it up.
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These players are so garbage we shouldn’t be in the league position we’re currently in. Would argue that Unai has over achieved to at least get us within touching distance of top four.
Unfortunately he’s inherited too many dog sh it players.
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Maybe Unai can try something I suggested this time last year ie switch the teams around.
Play the kids in the league and aim the 1st team at the Europa League.
What’s the worse that can happen?
Seriously what’s the worst thing?
Willock, ESR, Nketiah and Zech Medley get loads of PL experience for next season.
Wow that’s fkin awful that looool
Get Reece back too. Bundesliga is c rap ie Xhaka. 15 PL games will do him the world of good.
Pretty sure they would do better than what we now.
Not having that. Wenger had over twenty years in the job. You can’t level accusations of short termism or hounding him out when it was abundantly obvious that all routes led to failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
I’m not loyal to the new bloke in any way but I’m not about to start writing him off until I’m satisfied he’s walking the same green mile as Wenger, which isn’t just yet.
That's not quite true though, is it. Of course you didn't hound Wenger out after twenty years in the job. You hounded him out after about 8 years of achieving everything that could have been expected of him followed by two years of under-achievement. Which puts a rather different slant on things.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
He’d had ten years by that point and it subsequently became clear that he’d peaked and was never going to revive that halcyon period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
I became more vocal about him being replaced only in the last four or five seasons. I did say on reflection, that he stayed ten years too long, a comment I stand by.
Emery, or anyone else, will never get to achieve what we had under Wenger. Wenger’s wider influence will become a historical landmark in the English game. You cannot compare the circumstances of Wenger departing, or Emery remaining in the job. :shrug:
It depends on your view, of course, but the tangible improvement lies simply in the fact that Wenger is no longer in charge, is no longer the manager. That's the big thing. Small matters like, How is the new manager getting on? Well, we've got the rest of history to fuss and fight over that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Not really. We've all been following football long enough to know that even great managers, enjoying universal support and acclaim, practically never survive even their own greatest achievements for too long. And if they do, they rarely come close to emulating them; there's usually a feeling of, Should've bowed out x-number of years before he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
That just seems to be the way it works in football. In other walks of life, this is simply known as "Having a career."
Your mum is a satirical exercise.
Did you miss Wenger spending much of the last decade basically writing a whole new book of excuses? As such, any indulgences offered to Emery so far remain perfectly within bounds, I'd say :shrug:
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Originally Posted by Burney
Arsene collapsed in February. The dago's started in Dec-Jan. He can **** off and take Kronke with him. Arsene, Ozil and Rambo in.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
No. It became clear we couldn't compete with Chav and City petrodollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
Wengerball made me happy. GG's back 5 made me happy. This cünt doesn't. I'd make a banner but I no longer care about this team. None of them ever saw Highbury. So **** 'em. Ozil and Rambo in. Don't care if we lose three on the trot with them starting as long as they combine for one sexy, Wengerball goal.
Wengerball made me happy. GG's back 5 made me happy. This cünt doesn't. I'd make a banner but I no longer care about this team. None of them ever saw Highbury. So **** 'em. Ozil and Rambo in. Don't care if we lose three on the trot with them starting as long as they combine for one sexy, Wengerball goal.[/QUOTE]
Well, it’s a view, and on current standing, it’s difficult to understand why a fully fit Ozil, costing 350k pw, didn’t even make the squad, in a game against West Ham ?
He has his reasons and time will judge him but he can’t be held accountable for the way Wenger and Gazidis ran down these player contract situations and the black hole funding debacle in the run up to his appointment.
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Originally Posted by redgunamo
Wenger leaving was as much for his own sake as it was for change at the club. Wenger still had a reputation to preserve. Who knows, he may still have one but his last 3 seasons have caused it to take a blow and people could see this coming... and for what, to provide a smokescreen for the owner and the board? The only way this could be seen was for Wenger to leave. He just left a couple of years too late.
Now that Wenger has gone, we will be able to see what the club are all about as no one will endure what Wenger had/chose to endure. Appointing Emery was perhaps a little underwhelming for some, particularly as he probably under-achieved at PSG, but maybe a logical appointment. There had to be a mutual benefit to both. A man trying to manage his slightly dented reputation and a club that won't throw money wildly. IF Arsenal had more money, would they have hired Emery :shrug: How much will Emery endure to protect this board and owner? It depends but I could argue a lot less than Wenger.
What do we know that has happened since Wenger left? Perhaps Gazidis has decided that Wenger going removes some protection, so he sounded out his availability and ran as soon as he could?
Is Emery good enough? Time will tell and it will take at least, 2 full seasons. What we will find out is how much Wenger was really protecting the owner and the board inability/unwillingness to take the club forward on the pitch and how much was his own failings.
Not even that really. He won the FA Cup the year before and finished 5th. Not an under-achievement for our current financial situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty92
:hehe: 6th biggest football revenue in the world and you make out we have a "financial situation"..... couldn't make it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC East
Wenger was happy to overpay for average players who then we couldn't move om. £350k a week for a player was a joke then, and an even bigger joke now.
and I suppose that is at the root of the frustration for fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
The Arsenal earn big money and charge the fans a fortune to see the team.
I wouldn't mind being milked so hard if we could regularly challenge for the title and see top quality players on the pitch in every position. To say we have no money for players is laughable when there are hundreds(?) of millions in the bank.
But I suppose we'll make do with Xhaka, Iwobi, Mustafi, et al whilst Stan buys up real estate for himself in the USA.
And that is also a point, innit? Football isn't for the Yanks because, quite simply, they don't understand it.
he’s only earning 58p a second.
Not so bad when you think about it like that.
All relative. So he can buy a kit kat every second..f uck him. Big deal.
60k per week for Elneny and Jenkinson. You couldn’t make it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokster
I would rather Jenkinson and Elneny play over Lichsteiner and Xhaka. Just putting that out there.
How do you ****ing know that then, you seen their wage packets?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
I must admit surprise that he didn't sort the defence out, as #1 priority. Even my ten year old daughter knows we allow too many goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir C
That's the thing with professionals in nowadays' football, I suppose; they're as concerned with their precious processes as they are with results :-\
The club, and especially the manager, should never, ever mention money, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by IUFG
Same as at any other club really; it's always the manager's job to shield the board from criticism. When chairmen begin to worry about the paintwork on their new Benz, the manager's day's are usually numbered.
Emery would certainly have been on the list, imo, for any of the top clubs, not just us. Once Wenger went, the actual job offer would've just been about timing; who is actually available at that moment.
Thinking about it, maybe Gazidis was only hired to manage some sort of transition after all and he played a long game until he accomplished that mission (which you would, I guess, if you're on that kind of money). Don't forget these people (all except Wenger apparently) are career professionals and never actually intend to stay in any one job or at any one club for more than three or four years anyway. They're like old-school civil servants; they are responsible for starting a scheme, or for finishing it, but never for both. So any blame can be shared around or avoided.
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Originally Posted by Alberto Balsam Rodriguez
He's managed more important accounts than you're faggetass. Mbappe, Neymar, Cavani. Who are you to come here with your meagre opinion. Go back to selling women's lingerie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burney
Are you saying B is really Roderick Spode? Makes sense actually :rubchin:Quote:
Originally Posted by eastgermanautos
All that makes sense, which is why Emery's mention of money is all the more noteworthy. He *should take a stand, which is what it looks like to me. Saying, no, this is what my redo of this club will cost. He's a finish carpenter, not a general contractor.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo