So - what will the vote result be tonight?

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Originally Posted by Burney

That’s the whole joy of it. Nobody is electable. The redundancy of the party system is becoming increasingly apparent and that’s a great thing.

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Agreed. Let's go back to the Georgian-Victorian parliamentary system.

With a limited franchise. The thick, the northerners and Tory sympathisers and other right wingers shouldn't be allowed to vote. Just me and my missus in fact.

But we need a form of PR to break it. {How did you vote in the AV ref btw} Ideally STV with multi-member constituencies.

But Parl won't vote for that. Turkeys don't vote for Xmas. Well, except poor, northern, racist turkeys who don't understand the basics of international trade.

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Originally Posted by Burney

That’s the whole joy of it. Nobody is electable. The redundancy of the party system is becoming increasingly apparent and that’s a great thing.

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But how would we know who to vote for?! We would actually have to go and listen to things they had to say...

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Originally Posted by Burney

Thing is, the only way that can happen is by destroying the Tory party - and very possibly the Labour Party.
All in all, a GE would be my favoured outcome. Imagine an election contested by two parties who can’t summon up a coherent or meaningful manifesto on the main question we’re voting on?
The death of party politics!
Effectively electing individuals rather than parties!
Actual democracy!
Wouldn’t that be marvellous? :cloud9:

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That would depend upon the individuals, shirley ?

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But how would we know who to vote for?! We would actually have to go and listen to things they had to say...

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Yes! An engaged, self-selecting electorate - What a radical democratic notion, eh? No more voting for colours because that’s what grandad did. Marvellous!

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Originally Posted by 7sisters

That would depend upon the individuals, shirley ?

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Exactly. Fourth-rate individuals would no longer be protected by wrapping themselves in party colours. Surely you must see the benefits?

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Yes! An engaged, self-selecting electorate - What a radical democratic notion, eh? No more voting for colours because that’s what grandad did. Marvellous!

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Would it not make it difficult to agree on anything, though? Anything from general decision making to electing a Cabinet.

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Would it not make it difficult to agree on anything, though? Anything from general decision making to electing a Cabinet.

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Since when did democracy become about agreeing on stuff? :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

Agreed. Let's go back to the Georgian-Victorian parliamentary system.

With a limited franchise. The thick, the northerners and Tory sympathisers and other right wingers shouldn't be allowed to vote. Just me and my missus in fact.

But we need a form of PR to break it. {How did you vote in the AV ref btw} Ideally STV with multi-member constituencies.

But Parl won't vote for that. Turkeys don't vote for Xmas. Well, except poor, northern, racist turkeys who don't understand the basics of international trade.

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At least they have an understanding of the basics of democratic accountability. And they cannot possibly be as thick as elitist, fake-left cùnts who think they'll be able to implement socialist policies after the next election when their darling neoliberal EU won't even let Italy pass a Keynsian, anti-austerity budget.

See you on the other side of the barricade. :wave: I'll be the one in the yellow vest. You'll be the one egging on the coppers with the machine guns. :vsign:

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At least they have an understanding of the basics of democratic accountability. And they cannot possibly be as thick as elitist, fake-left cùnts who think they'll be able to implement socialist policies after the next election when their darling neoliberal EU won't even let Italy pass a Keynsian, anti-austerity budget.

See you on the other side of the barricade. :wave: I'll be the one in the yellow vest. You'll be the one egging on the coppers with the machine guns. :vsign:

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Really, Ash?

I'm in Paris atm.

Was at the Gilet Jaune manif at the Arc de Triomphe on Sat. Tear gassed several times.

Wanna see the 5 min film about the French boxer who beat the CRS up the week before that I made in the 2-3 days before arriving on Tues and going to the protest on Sat?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx42uqb921...0720p.mp4?dl=0

But, yeah, I'm the neo-lib Tory and you're the rebel.

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Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult

Really, Ash?

I'm in Paris atm.

Was at the Gilet Jaune manif at the Arc de Triomphe on Sat. Tear gassed several times.

Wanna see the 5 min film about the French boxer who beat the CRS up the week before that I made in the 2-3 days before arriving on Tues and going to the protest on Sat?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx42uqb921...0720p.mp4?dl=0

But, yeah, I'm the neo-lib Tory and you're the rebel.

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Fair play to you, GG - but Macron epitomises the EU elite, so how can you be supporting both sides?