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08-21-2017, 08:36 AM
World's End Stella

Hopefully the football ignoramuses on here now realise why Xhaka/Ramsey will never

work and perhaps some of you might learned something.

Watch the goal again. Xhaka gives it away then tries to win it back and it gets nicked past him. That giant space in front of our back four at that point is a very bad thing. And why was it there?

Yes, you guessed it, because that useless Welsh c*nt instead of playing in CENTRAL MIDFIELD because he is meant to be a CENTRAL MIDFIELDER, is 5 yards ahead of both of our strikers at the time. If he was 21 you might think he needs a bit of experience and some positional discipline. What are we meant to think when he's about to turn 27 in a few months?

He's hopeless, that's what. :-)
08-21-2017, 08:39 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

work and perhaps some of you might learned something.

Watch the goal again. Xhaka gives it away then tries to win it back and it gets nicked past him. That giant space in front of our back four at that point is a very bad thing. And why was it there?

Yes, you guessed it, because that useless Welsh c*nt instead of playing in CENTRAL MIDFIELD because he is meant to be a CENTRAL MIDFIELDER, is 5 yards ahead of both of our strikers at the time. If he was 21 you might think he needs a bit of experience and some positional discipline. What are we meant to think when he's about to turn 27 in a few months?

He's hopeless, that's what. :-)

I'd say that it's perfectly acceptable for a central midfielder to identify an opportunity to break beyond the strikers when we have solid phase 1 possession and a decent shape. Indeed, it is important that a central midfielder does exactly this.

I believe, therefore, that in this instance you are mistaken.
08-21-2017, 08:42 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

work and perhaps some of you might learned something.

Watch the goal again. Xhaka gives it away then tries to win it back and it gets nicked past him. That giant space in front of our back four at that point is a very bad thing. And why was it there?

Yes, you guessed it, because that useless Welsh c*nt instead of playing in CENTRAL MIDFIELD because he is meant to be a CENTRAL MIDFIELDER, is 5 yards ahead of both of our strikers at the time. If he was 21 you might think he needs a bit of experience and some positional discipline. What are we meant to think when he's about to turn 27 in a few months?

He's hopeless, that's what. :-)

Right. So you don't think that perhaps he was entitled to a reasonable expectation that Xhaka wouldn't give the ball away like a complete spastic?
08-21-2017, 08:43 AM
Pokster

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Originally Posted by Burney

Right. So you don't think that perhaps he was entitled to a reasonable expectation that Xhaka wouldn't give the ball away like a complete spastic?

In WES's ideal world a midfield player would never try to attack, and of course using that logic, he should never try to defend or cover behind the defenders... his job is to be in the middle of the field and nowhere else.

But then again, WES is a know nothing toss pot when it comes to football
08-21-2017, 08:45 AM
World's End Stella

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Originally Posted by Sir C

I'd say that it's perfectly acceptable for a central midfielder to identify an opportunity to break beyond the strikers when we have solid phase 1 possession and a decent shape. Indeed, it is important that a central midfielder does exactly this.

I believe, therefore, that in this instance you are mistaken.

It is a question of how often the midfielder does it and whether or not he then gets back into position once the move has broken down. In Ramsey's case the answers are constantly and rarely, hence the issue.

BTW, seen the FB entry for IH's ex? Slightly tragic but also somewhat amusing. He's in the soup again, it seems. Fraud! :hehe:
08-21-2017, 08:46 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Pokster

In WES's ideal world a midfield player would never try to attack, and of course using that logic, he should never try to defend or cover behind the defenders... his job is to be in the middle of the field and nowhere else.

But then again, WES is a know nothing toss pot when it comes to football

Blimey. WES must have hated watching Bryan Robson.
08-21-2017, 08:46 AM
World's End Stella

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Originally Posted by Burney

Right. So you don't think that perhaps he was entitled to a reasonable expectation that Xhaka wouldn't give the ball away like a complete spastic?

Yes, and Xhaka had a reasonable expectation that if he did his CENTRAL MIDFIELD partner might be there to help out.
08-21-2017, 08:47 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

It is a question of how often the midfielder does it and whether or not he then gets back into position once the move has broken down. In Ramsey's case the answers are constantly and rarely, hence the issue.

BTW, seen the FB entry for IH's ex? Slightly tragic but also somewhat amusing. He's in the soup again, it seems. Fraud! :hehe:

What?! What now? Gossip? Dish, dish, dish!
08-21-2017, 08:48 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

It is a question of how often the midfielder does it and whether or not he then gets back into position once the move has broken down. In Ramsey's case the answers are constantly and rarely, hence the issue.

BTW, seen the FB entry for IH's ex? Slightly tragic but also somewhat amusing. He's in the soup again, it seems. Fraud! :hehe:

I haven't, I've divested myself of such connections.

But I'm going to have a look now... :hehe:
08-21-2017, 08:50 AM
World's End Stella

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Originally Posted by Burney

What?! What now? Gossip? Dish, dish, dish!

It seems that recently married and allegedly blissfully happy IH has been caught putting it about - yet again.

His ex was more than happy to tell everyone and a subsequent load of replies had IH getting murdered by all and sundry. :hehe:
08-21-2017, 08:51 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Sir C

I haven't, I've divested myself of such connections.

But I'm going to have a look now... :hehe:

Well I trust someone will fill me in? I assume he's thrown his short fat hairy leg over some other gullible sort?
08-21-2017, 08:53 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

It seems that recently married and allegedly blissfully happy IH has been caught putting it about - yet again.

His ex was more than happy to tell everyone and a subsequent load of replies had IH getting murdered by all and sundry. :hehe:

So by 'ex' are we talking about his wife or the previous one?
08-21-2017, 08:56 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

It seems that recently married and allegedly blissfully happy IH has been caught putting it about - yet again.

His ex was more than happy to tell everyone and a subsequent load of replies had IH getting murdered by all and sundry. :hehe:

Wait, he's been indiscreet with TS, is it?
08-21-2017, 08:57 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by Burney

Well I trust someone will fill me in? I assume he's thrown his short fat hairy leg over some other gullible sort?

Can't find anything :-(

What is it that makes him such a chick magnet?
08-21-2017, 08:59 AM
World's End Stella

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Wait, he's been indiscreet with TS, is it?

No, TS somehow found out he's been cheating on his new wife and told everyone :hehe:

Followed by about 20+ replies slating IH for the 'fraud that he is'

Can't see it now, she might have removed it. :-)
08-21-2017, 09:01 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Can't find anything :-(

What is it that makes him such a chick magnet?

Yes. WES really needs to copy and paste (with names redacted, of course).

I really couldn't say. Often, for les femmes d'une certain age, the attention is enough to get the job done. So sheer willingness on his part is half the game.
08-21-2017, 09:01 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

No, TS somehow found out he's been cheating on his new wife and told everyone :hehe:

Followed by about 20+ replies slating IH for the 'fraud that he is'

Can't see it now, she might have removed it. :-)

That boy's got issues, I tell you.
08-21-2017, 09:02 AM
Peter

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

work and perhaps some of you might learned something.

Watch the goal again. Xhaka gives it away then tries to win it back and it gets nicked past him. That giant space in front of our back four at that point is a very bad thing. And why was it there?

Yes, you guessed it, because that useless Welsh c*nt instead of playing in CENTRAL MIDFIELD because he is meant to be a CENTRAL MIDFIELDER, is 5 yards ahead of both of our strikers at the time. If he was 21 you might think he needs a bit of experience and some positional discipline. What are we meant to think when he's about to turn 27 in a few months?

He's hopeless, that's what. :-)

You are right that Ramsey is a useless **** and a liability as a midfielder. No question there, at least from me.

It would be foolish to highlight that as the problem when you are given a 90 minute performance like that, littered with mistake after mistake after mistake.

I could moan and bitch about most of the players but the truth is this is all Wenger’s fault. The team is a tactical and defensive mess and that has been perfectly evident in both of the first two games. We can complain about injuries, selection, refereeing etc etc. None of these are the real reason we have been so sloppy. It is just Wenger, it is just what he does.

And we have another two years of it ahead, at least. :(
08-21-2017, 09:05 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by Peter

You are right that Ramsey is a useless **** and a liability as a midfielder. No question there, at least from me.

It would be foolish to highlight that as the problem when you are given a 90 minute performance like that, littered with mistake after mistake after mistake.

I could moan and bitch about most of the players but the truth is this is all Wenger’s fault. The team is a tactical and defensive mess and that has been perfectly evident in both of the first two games. We can complain about injuries, selection, refereeing etc etc. None of these are the real reason we have been so sloppy. It is just Wenger, it is just what he does.

And we have another two years of it ahead, at least. :(

:clap: :clap: :clap: This is one of the finest hissy-fits I have seen since Saturday, p. And I'm including the more lunatic fringe on Twitter when I say that.

You are to be congratulated on losing your shít quite so outrageously 2 games into the season. Well done sir!
08-21-2017, 09:12 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Sir C

That boy's got issues, I tell you.

I mean, 'let he who is without sin' and all that, but one would hope a chap might learn at least a little something from one's mistakes, no?
08-21-2017, 09:15 AM
Peter

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Originally Posted by Sir C

:clap: :clap: :clap: This is one of the finest hissy-fits I have seen since Saturday, p. And I'm including the more lunatic fringe on Twitter when I say that.

You are to be congratulated on losing your shít quite so outrageously 2 games into the season. Well done sir!

I was actually in quite a good mood when I wrote that. ;)

The only thing that really irritates me is the people who are incredulous at games like this as though it comes as some huge shock.

Its exactly what you get with Wenger and we know it
08-21-2017, 09:18 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by Peter

I was actually in quite a good mood when I wrote that. ;)

The only thing that really irritates me is the people who are incredulous at games like this as though it comes as some huge shock.

Its exactly what you get with Wenger and we know it

Yes, he's always favoured fluidity and relying on his players to make good decisions, hasn't he?

That's what makes us so good to watch, and what has delivered us all those lovely trophies.
08-21-2017, 09:21 AM
redgunamo

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Originally Posted by Burney

I mean, 'let he who is without sin' and all that, but one would hope a chap might learn at least a little something from one's mistakes, no?

No, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, as they say. It's all about the breeding, see.
08-21-2017, 09:23 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Yes, he's always favoured fluidity and relying on his players to make good decisions, hasn't he?

That's what makes us so good to watch, and what has delivered us all those lovely trophies.

In which case, it's valid to criticise him for buying too many players who make bad decisions, isn't it?
08-21-2017, 09:24 AM
redgunamo

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Originally Posted by Peter

I was actually in quite a good mood when I wrote that. ;)

The only thing that really irritates me is the people who are incredulous at games like this as though it comes as some huge shock.

Its exactly what you get with Wenger and we know it

I think the incredulity is mostly fake and merely intended as yet another stick to beat Wenger with. Nobody is really shocked.
08-21-2017, 09:24 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by Burney

I mean, 'let he who is without sin' and all that, but one would hope a chap might learn at least a little something from one's mistakes, no?

Quite. Everyone's entitled to an indiscretion, but he takes the piss.
08-21-2017, 09:25 AM
Peter

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Yes, he's always favoured fluidity and relying on his players to make good decisions, hasn't he?

That's what makes us so good to watch, and what has delivered us all those lovely trophies.

Ok, maybe we should get some players who make the right decisions then.

It would be cheaper to replace the manager.
08-21-2017, 09:27 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by Burney

In which case, it's valid to criticise him for buying too many players who make bad decisions, isn't it?

Why, certainly it is.
08-21-2017, 09:27 AM
Peter

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

I think the incredulity is mostly fake and merely intended as yet another stick to beat Wenger with. Nobody is really shocked.

I know... it is still quite annoying though.

I think we should just be resigned to our fate, like that weird bunch of rabbits in Watership Down in the sinister warren.
08-21-2017, 09:28 AM
Peter

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Why, certainly it is.

Or, you know.....he could try a bit of coaching.
08-21-2017, 09:46 AM
redgunamo

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Originally Posted by Burney

In which case, it's valid to criticise him for buying too many players who make bad decisions, isn't it?

Yes, and no. When money is tight, such players can still fit our budget.
08-21-2017, 09:48 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by Peter

Or, you know.....he could try a bit of coaching.

:shrug: You could get Pulis in if that's the sort of thing you're after.
08-21-2017, 09:48 AM
redgunamo

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Originally Posted by Peter

I know... it is still quite annoying though.

I think we should just be resigned to our fate, like that weird bunch of rabbits in Watership Down in the sinister warren.

:hehe: Very good.

We mostly are resigned to our fate, I think. It's just that, despite that, we still like to talk about our team.
08-21-2017, 09:51 AM
Ash

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Originally Posted by Sir C

:shrug: You could get Pulis in if that's the sort of thing you're after.

I might not mind that for a year tbh. Might be novel to have Arsenal disappointing me in a different sort of way.
08-21-2017, 09:53 AM
Sir C

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I might not mind that for a year tbh. Might be novel to have Arsenal disappointing me in a different sort of way.

I don't really know how to process that, a. I'm more disappointed with you than angry. I think.
08-21-2017, 09:54 AM
Ash

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

We mostly are resigned to our fate, I think. It's just that, despite that, we still like to talk about our team.

There's a lot to be said for getting the disappointment in early. It's the hope that kills us, after all. Not literally, of course.

Veng will turn it round, though. He always turns it round.
08-21-2017, 09:55 AM
Ash

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Originally Posted by Sir C

I don't really know how to process that, a. I'm more disappointed with you than angry. I think.

I would have called for Allerdici, of course, but I gather he is now back in the international management business.

Is Mak Huge available, do you think?
08-21-2017, 09:56 AM
redgunamo

Now, now, C; "co̶a̶c̶h̶i̶n̶g̶" isn't actually a dirty word.

Pulis probably ought to be though.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

:shrug: You could get Pulis in if that's the sort of thing you're after.
08-21-2017, 09:58 AM
Burney

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Quite. Everyone's entitled to an indiscretion, but he takes the piss.

Still, if it's any consolation to Ian, things could be worse...

http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/man-sex-three-different-dogs/
08-21-2017, 09:59 AM
Sir C

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Originally Posted by Ash

I would have called for Allerdici, of course, but I gather he is now back in the international management business.

Is Mak Huge available, do you think?

Jesus, man. Are you (still) pissed?

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