Always nice to wake up to USA! USA! swinging its dick.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Nobody believes that ****e anymore, I'm afraid. I gorged at that trough for years and I wouldn't even let them verify that today is Monday. Bloody good job too.

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Wheras 'verified by some chap in an office in Washington' is all the evidence needed, apparently.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

He's never really had much of a "stance" on anything to change, certainly not foreign policy.

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This may well be true, but it was his stated willingness to ease off on the regime change stuff, and maybe seek better relationships with Russia that had the establishment foaming at the mouth. The same people who were making ridicules accusations of Trump being a Russian agent are now patting him on the back, calling him presidential and asking for more of the same. If he wants an easy ride, he will do more of the same. Whoever is elected is always accountable to The War Party.

Interesting though, that the missile attack in Syria didn't really do much other than act as a therapeutic release for those addicted to that sort of thing and perhaps to give the president some breathing room.

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Originally Posted by Ash

Wheras 'verified by some chap in an office in Washington' is all the evidence needed, apparently.

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Right. Not least because he would be *our* chap in Washington.

Essentially, nobody cares about chemicals or WMDs; we loosed off a few shots simply because everyone thinks it's the right thing to do in any case.

And just like we didn't support Bush because he invaded Iraq; rather people supported invading Iraq because it was Bush. The Donald is a fast learner and he has good people holding his hand on this stuff.

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Originally Posted by Ash

This may well be true, but it was his stated willingness to ease off on the regime change stuff, and maybe seek better relationships with Russia that had the establishment foaming at the mouth. The same people who were making ridicules accusations of Trump being a Russian agent are now patting him on the back, calling him presidential and asking for more of the same. If he wants an easy ride, he will do more of the same. Whoever is elected is always accountable to The War Party.

Interesting though, that the missile attack in Syria didn't really do much other than act as a therapeutic release for those addicted to that sort of thing and perhaps to give the president some breathing room.

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Yes, he's stated lots of things. No sense paying much attention to any of that.
This president has tendencies and impulses, many of which actually conflict with one another, rather than a political philosophy.

Keep in mind that most voters don’t have ideological commitments either, which is why politicians will always frustrate those who do. The Syria-business proved broadly popular. At this point, what more does anybody want or expect :shrug:

Furthermore, elections have consequences, as the man said. Nobody voted for the Donald because they thought he'd be consistent and predictable.

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Originally Posted by Ash

Nope. I don't believe the notion that they kill people for fun. THey are not fighting a civil war because they want to. They are fighting a civil war to stop the country being run by ISIS/AQ.

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Are you being serious? You think this is about Assad fighting terrorism as opposed to desperately clinging to power because so many of his countrymen despise him?

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Are you being serious? You think this is about Assad fighting terrorism as opposed to desperately clinging to power because so many of his countrymen despise him?

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Most of his countrymen prefer him now to the headchoppers, which is the choice everyone needs to make at this point. The armed opposition are not the pro-democracy campaigners of the old days (in fact democratic reforms have since been implemented). They are Islamists. Assad is both clinging on to power and maintaining a secular state against an Islamist, terrorist state. Pick a side.

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Originally Posted by Ash

Most of his countrymen prefer him now to the headchoppers, which is the choice everyone needs to make at this point. The armed opposition are not the pro-democracy campaigners of the old days (in fact democratic reforms have since been implemented). They are Islamists. Assad is both clinging on to power and maintaining a secular state against an Islamist, terrorist state. Pick a side.

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Always a bit of both, innit. For decades, we've tolerated, even propped up, his sort so long as they've been able to keep a lid on things.

Tempora mutantur though and a' that.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Always a bit of both, innit. For decades, we've tolerated, even propped up, his sort so long as they've been able to keep a lid on things.

Tempora mutantur though and a' that.

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Tempora mutantur. Is that with shrimp?

I do enjoy that dish. :-D Some saki, oh hell yeah.