I have to say, I find some of the slobbering over Wenger to be over the top and

highly hypocritical.

And don't know anyone - and I mean anyone - who would argue that he wasn't brilliant from 1996-2005. Arguably the best manager in the world at that time. He then embarked on a required, and personally desired, youth project that was both very challenging and yet at the same time appealed to Wenger and the overwhelming majority of the support. It was a project that he deserved given the level of his performance over the previous 9 years.

Sadly, this went wrong and we never achieved what we hoped we would. Circumstance played a part but you can hardly ignore that many of the player decisions he made during that time were simply incorrect. By 2010 it was clear that it had failed and that we needed a new approach. At that point we saw the first real sign of fallibility.

Over the next 7-8 years his performance as manager and the performance of the club degraded slightly but consistently each year until we have reached 6th place, 30 some point behind the leaders and over 10 points behind our hated rivals who have far less money than we do.

Why can we not acknowledge all that without feeling the need to criticize either ourselves or the manager?

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

highly hypocritical.

And don't know anyone - and I mean anyone - who would argue that he wasn't brilliant from 1996-2005. Arguably the best manager in the world at that time. He then embarked on a required, and personally desired, youth project that was both very challenging and yet at the same time appealed to Wenger and the overwhelming majority of the support. It was a project that he deserved given the level of his performance over the previous 9 years.

Sadly, this went wrong and we never achieved what we hoped we would. Circumstance played a part but you can hardly ignore that many of the player decisions he made during that time were simply incorrect. By 2010 it was clear that it had failed and that we needed a new approach. At that point we saw the first real sign of fallibility.

Over the next 7-8 years his performance as manager and the performance of the club degraded slightly but consistently each year until we have reached 6th place, 30 some point behind the leaders and over 10 points behind our hated rivals who have far less money than we do.

Why can we not acknowledge all that without feeling the need to criticize either ourselves or the manager?

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Well, lots of people disagree with you, and, given that, for sentimental reasons, today's anouncement is pretty important to some others, couldn't you keep your flaphole shut for 5 minutes?

It really, really doesn't matter that the whole world isn't acknowledging your genius right now. Other things matter more.

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highly hypocritical.

And don't know anyone - and I mean anyone - who would argue that he wasn't brilliant from 1996-2005. Arguably the best manager in the world at that time. He then embarked on a required, and personally desired, youth project that was both very challenging and yet at the same time appealed to Wenger and the overwhelming majority of the support. It was a project that he deserved given the level of his performance over the previous 9 years.

Sadly, this went wrong and we never achieved what we hoped we would. Circumstance played a part but you can hardly ignore that many of the player decisions he made during that time were simply incorrect. By 2010 it was clear that it had failed and that we needed a new approach. At that point we saw the first real sign of fallibility.

Over the next 7-8 years his performance as manager and the performance of the club degraded slightly but consistently each year until we have reached 6th place, 30 some point behind the leaders and over 10 points behind our hated rivals who have far less money than we do.

Why can we not acknowledge all that without feeling the need to criticize either ourselves or the manager?

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Project Youth only failed because Arsene had a mis-guided belief that players may show similar values to him when it comes to loyalty.

Sadly they did not and, in the most part, saw their careers fall to pieces as a result.

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Well, lots of people disagree with you, and, given that, for sentimental reasons, today's anouncement is pretty important to some others, couldn't you keep your flaphole shut for 5 minutes?

It really, really doesn't matter that the whole world isn't acknowledging your genius right now. Other things matter more.

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Oh do shut up you soppy old goat. Our manager has resigned, he will be replaced by someone else and we will move forward.

It's football FFS. Get a hold of yourself. :rolleyes:

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Well, lots of people disagree with you, and, given that, for sentimental reasons, today's anouncement is pretty important to some others, couldn't you keep your flaphole shut for 5 minutes?

It really, really doesn't matter that the whole world isn't acknowledging your genius right now. Other things matter more.

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No. He had to say it.

He actually started that with 'I have to say...'

Maybe he's right? Maybe he does have some sort of psychological compulsion to say things like that? Perhaps he deserves our sympathy?

Or he might just be a truculent gob****e?

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Oh do shut up you soppy old goat. Our manager has resigned, he will be replaced by someone else and we will move forward.

It's football FFS. Get a hold of yourself. :rolleyes:

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Wer'e not all JCL Mr. Stella. The greatest manager we ever had is leaving. What's happened is that the anxiety over current performances has allowed many to see what the legacy he created.

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No. He had to say it.

He actually started that with 'I have to say...'

Maybe he's right? Maybe he does have some sort of psychological compulsion to say things like that? Perhaps he deserves our sympathy?

Or he might just be a truculent gob****e?

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I can't imagine an AWIMBer who is more anti this sort of sickly sentimentality than you, Burney. The man who can't wait to wade in post the death of a celebrity and who routinely berates people for losing their objectivity and indulging in faux remorse because it make them feel better about themselves.

And all I really said was that we should appreciate his great years but at the same time recognize his fallibility and understand that it was time for him to move on.

You're funny. :hehe:

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No. He had to say it.

He actually started that with 'I have to say...'

Maybe he's right? Maybe he does have some sort of psychological compulsion to say things like that? Perhaps he deserves our sympathy?

Or he might just be a truculent gob****e?

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He's like an over-excited puppy. One of those ones with massive paws and no self-control or co-ordination, blundering into things and scattering finer feelings, good taste and decency to the four corners of the room, where he will later chew them up before shítting himself in the night and having his nose rubbed in it in the morning.

The puppy in question is a bit retarded, of course.

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Wer'e not all JCL Mr. Stella. The greatest manager we ever had is leaving. What's happened is that the anxiety over current performances has allowed many to see what the legacy he created.

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This is true however I am glad he is leaving and my initial reaction to the news earlier was one of not necessarily joy, but simply positive.

I look at the prospect of change and what it may bring as exciting.

Of course it could go belly up but we have a fine group of players and I for one shall be intrigued to see what another manager can get from them.

I am not entirely sure what the JCL reference was added for.

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He's like an over-excited puppy. One of those ones with massive paws and no self-control or co-ordination, blundering into things and scattering finer feelings, good taste and decency to the four corners of the room, where he will later chew them up before shítting himself in the night and having his nose rubbed in it in the morning.

The puppy in question is a bit retarded, of course.

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My god that's a pathetic post. As obtuse and irrelevant as it is self-indulgent. You really have lost it. :hehe:

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This is true however I am glad he is leaving and my initial reaction to the news earlier was one of not necessarily joy, but simply positive.

I look at the prospect of change and what it may bring as exciting.

Of course it could go belly up but we have a fine group of players and I for one shall be intrigued to see what another manager can get from them.

I am not entirely sure what the JCL reference was added for.

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I didn't understand this bit: 'What's happened is that the anxiety over current performances has allowed many to see what the legacy he created.'

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My god that's a pathetic post. As obtuse and irrelevant as it is self-indulgent. You really have lost it. :hehe:

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Yes mate, I've lost it entirely.

Have a nice weekend.

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I didn't understand this bit: 'What's happened is that the anxiety over current performances has allowed many to see what the legacy he created.'

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The frustration of current woes is causing people to forget the great years and the position in which he is leaving the club for his successor.

I think.

Not than anybody has ever denied the great years.

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I can't imagine an AWIMBer who is more anti this sort of sickly sentimentality than you, Burney. The man who can't wait to wade in post the death of a celebrity and who routinely berates people for losing their objectivity and indulging in faux remorse because it make them feel better about themselves.

And all I really said was that we should appreciate his great years but at the same time recognize his fallibility and understand that it was time for him to move on.

You're funny. :hehe:

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I certainly dislike cant and rail against expressions of manufactured grief. However, this is something in which we are supposed to be emotionally invested - that is the point of being a fan, in fact.

If the departure of our greatest ever manager who brought us the best football and players we are ever likely to see in our lifetimes does not affect you in any way, you are doing it wrong. Or you just don't really get it. :shrug:

Wes out!!!!!

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I certainly dislike cant and rail against expressions of manufactured grief. However, this is something in which we are supposed to be emotionally invested - that is the point of being a fan, in fact.

If the departure of our greatest ever manager who brought us the best football and players we are ever likely to see in our lifetimes does not affect you in any way, you are doing it wrong. Or you just don't really get it. :shrug:

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I never said it doesn't affect me in anyway. I said some of the reactions were over the top and some were hypocritical. :shrug:

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I never said it doesn't affect me in anyway. I said some of the reactions were over the top and some were hypocritical. :shrug:

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Oh please do bore off.

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Oh please do bore off.

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Run along, Rich. The big boys are playing.

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I never said it doesn't affect me in anyway. I said some of the reactions were over the top and some were hypocritical. :shrug:

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If I was going to take issue with your original post it would be that you present 'project youth' as some wenger indulgence that he had 'earned' by being successful. This clearly ignores the context, which is crucial- we were under severe financial restraint thanks tothe Emirates and he was trying to find a way of building a new team without the funds to buy or retain one.

His failing has been in the last four years or so where he has had much more to spend but has completely failed to improve the side, in fact making it considerably worse.

To look at that middle period without referring to the financial side is incredibly harsh on wenger.

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Oh please do bore off.

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You are showing yourself up here son, honestly step away.

Rushing in to support Sir C because you want to lick his bottom groove is in one way admirable but equally not. He is both big enough and old enough to argue his corner without your retarded inputs.

These days always cause emotions to run high on Awimb. People lose the run of themselves. People do react in an over the top way, on both sides. Jesus Christ just wait until Monty comes back. I think it is the normal behaviour now on all forms of social media.

You should have been here when we signed Jose Antonio Reyes. Good lord.

He was a Spanish footballer.

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I didn't understand this bit: 'What's happened is that the anxiety over current performances has allowed many to see what the legacy he created.'

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Yes, sorry, that was complete gibberish on my part.

I meant:

Wenger leaving has lifted the anxiety over our current performances. It's allowed people to sit back and admire the man's legacy. Hence the renewed love.

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Yes, sorry, that was complete gibberish on my part.

I meant:

Wenger leaving has lifted the anxiety over our current performances. It's allowed people to sit back and admire the man's legacy. Hence the renewed love.

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:hehe:

It's an emotional day mate.

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:hehe:

It's an emotional day mate.

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Typing though the tears!

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You are showing yourself up here son, honestly step away.

Rushing in to support Sir C because you want to lick his bottom groove is in one way admirable but equally not. He is both big enough and old enough to argue his corner without your retarded inputs.

These days always cause emotions to run high on Awimb. People lose the run of themselves. People do react in an over the top way, on both sides. Jesus Christ just wait until Monty comes back. I think it is the normal behaviour now on all forms of social media.

You should have been here when we signed Jose Antonio Reyes. Good lord.

He was a Spanish footballer.

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Would you mind leaving the crack of my árse out of it, please?

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Would you mind leaving the crack of my árse out of it, please?

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I apologise and my intention was not to offend.

I actually thought you had gone.

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I apologise and my intention was not to offend.

I actually thought you had gone.

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I've got to sit here for another 23 minutes, then walk 100 yards to my fridge, remove a cold beer, and beging firing up the barbie, upon which I will grill the wrold's largest ribeye steak.

So it's all good. Except the image of rich's tongue probing my crack. :-(

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I've got to sit here for another 23 minutes, then walk 100 yards to my fridge, remove a cold beer, and beging firing up the barbie, upon which I will grill the wrold's largest ribeye steak.

So it's all good. Except the image of rich's tongue probing my crack. :-(

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Beer??????

Always thought you were a little effete and 'cultured' to drink beer.

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Beer??????

Always thought you were a little effete and 'cultured' to drink beer.

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Well, lager. German lager. Warsteiner. It's nise. Refreshing whilst cooking.

Of course, once the meat is served I will be on the red wine.

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You are showing yourself up here son, honestly step away.

Rushing in to support Sir C because you want to lick his bottom groove is in one way admirable but equally not. He is both big enough and old enough to argue his corner without your retarded inputs.

These days always cause emotions to run high on Awimb. People lose the run of themselves. People do react in an over the top way, on both sides. Jesus Christ just wait until Monty comes back. I think it is the normal behaviour now on all forms of social media.

You should have been here when we signed Jose Antonio Reyes. Good lord.

He was a Spanish footballer.

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No, it's people disparaging the greatest & most radical individual the club will ever see that I take umbrage at. People just have no respect and I find it disgusting.

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Well, lager. German lager. Warsteiner. It's nise. Refreshing whilst cooking.

Of course, once the meat is served I will be on the red wine.

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Cider is your friend when the BBQ is happening.

Bulmers. Loads of it.

To add, I remember Reyes debut against Chelsea (I think). Believe he scored two although I only recall the one he slammed into the top bin from about 30 yards.

That was about the pinnacle of his Arsenal career, as I recall.

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No, it's people disparaging the greatest & most radical individual the club will ever see that I take umbrage at. People just have no respect and I find it disgusting.

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Did WES disparage him?

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Cider is your friend when the BBQ is happening.

Bulmers. Loads of it.

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Cider makes me go mental and try to climb out of moving vehicles / urinate on roundabouts.

It's not a good look for a gentleman of my maturity.

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Did WES disparage him?

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'By 2010 it was clear that it had failed and that we needed a new approach. At that point we saw the first real sign of fallibility.'

Keeping us in the top 4 for six of the years since 2010 is not 'failure'. Especially when you consider that this period included a runners up place, 3rd place finishes and a smattering of FA Cups. All from a club with significantly less resource than others.

Arsene will have my eternal respect for that. It's a pity that others don't share that sentiment.

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Cider makes me go mental and try to climb out of moving vehicles / urinate on roundabouts.

It's not a good look for a gentleman of my maturity.

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It's the weekend pal, nobody will think any less of you.