Probably very good timing for this. Reset and go again.
Not sure about Onana from Everton....is that what we need?
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Probably very good timing for this. Reset and go again.
Not sure about Onana from Everton....is that what we need?
[QUOTE=PSRB;4274468]Probably very good timing for this. Reset and go again.
Not sure about Onana from Everton....is that what we need?[/
We convinced ourselves that Havertz was what we needed, so what could possibly go wrong ?
Probably right about the break but would rather we were playing this weekend. Need something to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
I like Onana - would be a quality addition. I don't think the player we need is available. Very unconvinced by Toney particularly at the asking price. Not sure what forward (deadly striker) is available (and affordable)
Completely agree. I like Onana, I don't think Toney is right for us at all. And I dont really see where the money is coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
Saka and Odegaard badly need a break. I am still not willing to accept that our current forwards are incapable of delivering goals as they did last season. I think Arteta needs to change their mindset. Everything is too cautious and hesitant at the moment.
That was the most infuriating thing about Havertz yesterday, always wanted to take an extra touch! Yes, Saka skyed that chance but at least he took it on (and was his weaker foot)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Havertz should never, ever, ever play up front. Shirley if we learned anything from his days at Chelsea it would be that.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Don't understand how Arteta could possibly think that would work out better than Eddie up front.
Shame because I really think he has been much better in midfield recently.
It was a one-off. Anyway, they're not going to do that EVERY season. At the risk of perhaps repeating myself, that's what strikers are for. Their disposition is different :-\
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Originally Posted by Peter
Strikers are old hat. Nobody even bothers breeding them these days. We don't need them.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
What we need is more midfielders. Clever chaps who can pick a pass. :-)
It's sad to say, however you're quite correct. And a fat lot of good it's done us!
Indeed, things are so bad that the only decent team in ANY league is always the one managed by Pep Guardiola, he seems to be the only one that accepts that certain things in football HAVE to happen, HAVE to be that way, simply because the game itself demands it.
It may not make sense, even to HIM, given his dreams of playing eleven tricky midgets every week, but enough good people around him know and understand and have convinced him that it simply doesn't work that way. Which is why he has always been sure to have at least one of the world's best goal-scoring number nines in his squad, all the while successfully gaslighting weak-minded football folk that all those victories and trophies is about tiki-taka. *******o:-(
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Originally Posted by Peter
In January, buggering off for a couple of weeks in the sunshine? Always a good idea. Lovely.
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Originally Posted by PSRB
Correct - even with his ultimate masterpiece (Barcelona with Messi/Xavi/Iniesta) I lost count of the times that they got to 70 minutes 0-0 with 90% possession. Then Messi scores a wonder goal, the opposition come out and it finishes 3 or 4 nil and we have to hear about tiki-taka blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
So it was inevitable that Haaland ended up there :-\
The irony is that Havertz was bought with the idea of getting more goals from midfield, I think :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
And yes, we've just gone through a bad patch in front of goal, these things happen. We have too much talent going forward to not score goals and then all of this will be forgotten.
Meanwhile, three bad results and the usual characters are losing their sh1t on here and dragging out the cliches they so desperately want to be true so that they can be proven to be 'correct'.
I'd be far more worried about losing Saliba for an extended period of time than a run of games where we created loads but didn't take our chances.
it's good timing for the current players and mangement but overall probably bad timing for the club :hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Hmmmm.... mainly agree, although if this prompts Arteta to spend some time considering our tactical balance, it will have been worthwhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
World class goalscorers are all very well for those who can afford them, financially and tactically.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
Number 9s, well that is a different question. For some time now the world's best goalscorers have made their living as inside forwards. Liverpool's still does.
I’m still struggling to think of any world class side in history where a gangly string bean strongly featured, outside of central defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
They’re not built for it. They lack mobility and it takes an age for their brains to trigger signals to their feet, see ?
You want lots of 5ft 10 mesomorphs. That’s just the way of things :)
:cough: Patrick Vieira :cough:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
:-)
Zidane 6ft1 and Steffan Effenberg 6ft 2 might disagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
Berbatov, Zlatan - also fairly useful and 6ft plus. Dennis was 6ft. Kanu 6ft 4 :bow: Were the invincible world-class? Yaya Toure 6ft 2
(I did get the irony in the original post, btw, but made me think of which players have "quick/good feet for a big man")
Robert Prosinečki and Zvonomir Boban - both 6ft. Also Niall Quinn - ok, I'll stop nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
Quinny could play once he had grown up a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
Henry was 6 ft 2. He could play a bit :-)
As half our goals come from set pieces we kind of need a bit of height at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
I was going to include him, but Sir C would point out that he was an athlete not a footballer. Look at him being an athlete hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_re9m2ATso
Pires was also 6ft 1 - the gangling neanderthal
Kiwior know where the goal isQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter
If Henry hadn't been such a good footballer he would have scored more goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
That's one for red to unpick :-)
good shout, pQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Agreed. Even Ian Wright was a #8. There's so much narrow thinking everywhere. Very sad.
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Originally Posted by Peter
Thomas Muller? He's a decent size.
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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
Goals from wide areas indicate narrow thinking? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
I'd also remind you that it takes longer to do things quickly.
ooh I like this, By having no money I am a rich man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
That's quite right. Alan Smith and Dennis and Robert Pires too.
Which just goes to show you; whilst almost all footballers can play football; very few footballers can score over 300 goals.
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Originally Posted by Peter
Not sure what warm weather training will do,Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Ben White tanned more than ever. and they will all be freezing cold when they get back :-( I still am and been back a while
Yes, you're no doubt rich in OTHER ways.
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Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
Telling Dennis Bergkamp that he didn't score enough goals is like telling Led Zeppelin they didn't have enough hit singles.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
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I drive through puddles to splash people on purpose? Oh hang on thats a different Rich.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
They never got a number 1 in the charts though. (only abroad)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Yes, it's rationalising, making a virtue of not being able to get your hands on a decent centre-forward.
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Originally Posted by Peter
Well they didnt release singles. They didn't want to. That was for other bands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Vegas
Dennis was the same. Others can score goals. If he focuses on scoring them himself, who is going to create them? Surely he needs to leave something for the others to do :-)
Oh, no. He scored plenty. I meant, he would've scored even more had he been a worse player.
Anyway, I've always been a Maiden-man. Hit singles are overrated.
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Originally Posted by Peter
It isn't as if there are undiscovered Ted Drakes knocking about here and there. Easier to turn a footballer into a centre forward than the other way around :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
Indeed. Iron Maiden had to get a lot worse before finally getting a number one :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo