I’ve noticed that the line previously “edgy” comedians who have now miraculously

become “woke” are going with is that they wouldn’t make the same jokes they’d have made 15 years ago, blaming youthful ignorance for their past misdemeanours.

The problem is, you can usually go back significantly closer than 15 years to find them making jokes that wouldn’t get past the progressive mafia today. For example, in the case of that cretinous **** Sarah Silverman, I recently saw a video of her from about 5 years ago making jokes about suicide So we’re meant to believe that she’s changed her entire philosophy on what we should be allowed to make jokes about in five years?

I did like this bit from her Guardian interview:

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I mention a line she used in her Jesus is Magic tour in 2005: “I was raped by a doctor. Which is, you know, so bittersweet for a Jewish girl.” She looks panicked when I mention it, and replies quickly: “Comedy is not evergreen! There are jokes I made 15 years ago that I would absolutely not make today, because I am less ignorant than I was. I know more now than I did. I change with new information.”

The thing is, I say – and I suppose this is where comedy gets very complicated – I actually brought that line up because it’s one of the funniest things I have ever heard.

“Oh!” she says, visibly relieved. “Thank you.”

******

As I said: ****.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

become “woke” are going with is that they wouldn’t make the same jokes they’d have made 15 years ago, blaming youthful ignorance for their past misdemeanours.

The problem is, you can usually go back significantly closer than 15 years to find them making jokes that wouldn’t get past the progressive mafia today. For example, in the case of that cretinous **** Sarah Silverman, I recently saw a video of her from about 5 years ago making jokes about suicide So we’re meant to believe that she’s changed her entire philosophy on what we should be allowed to make jokes about in five years?

I did like this bit from her Guardian interview:

*******

I mention a line she used in her Jesus is Magic tour in 2005: “I was raped by a doctor. Which is, you know, so bittersweet for a Jewish girl.” She looks panicked when I mention it, and replies quickly: “Comedy is not evergreen! There are jokes I made 15 years ago that I would absolutely not make today, because I am less ignorant than I was. I know more now than I did. I change with new information.”

The thing is, I say – and I suppose this is where comedy gets very complicated – I actually brought that line up because it’s one of the funniest things I have ever heard.

“Oh!” she says, visibly relieved. “Thank you.”

******

As I said: ****.

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I saw the other day that a bunch of them were saying it was their duty to keep making jokes about Brexit and Trump - even if they weren't particularly funny. This struck me as a very good philosophy to ensure the current 'comedy boom' is killed stone fücking dead, as audiences are increasingly alienated by unfunny, politically-motivated stuff that simply doesn't resonate with them.

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I saw the other day that a bunch of them were saying it was their duty to keep making jokes about Brexit and Trump - even if they weren't particularly funny. This struck me as a very good philosophy to ensure the current 'comedy boom' is killed stone fücking dead, as audiences are increasingly alienated by unfunny, poetically-motivated stuff that simply doesn't resonate with them.

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That would perhaps be fine, if it weren't for the fact that jokes about Trump often focus on his appearance and jokes about Brexit are increasingly taking a distinctly violent slant (see the recent cartoons in the New European magazine and widely shared on social media).

Funny how sexism and violence is fine when applied against people you don't like.

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I saw the other day that a bunch of them were saying it was their duty to keep making jokes about Brexit and Trump - even if they weren't particularly funny. This struck me as a very good philosophy to ensure the current 'comedy boom' is killed stone fücking dead, as audiences are increasingly alienated by unfunny, poetically-motivated stuff that simply doesn't resonate with them.

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It would be better if they made it funny but isn't the point of any art form to challenge the audience?

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It would be better if they made it funny but isn't the point of any art form to challenge the audience?

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Comedy's job is to do one thing and one thing only: make people laugh. If I pay 20 quid to be amused by some cünt, I'll be less than impressed if all I emerge with is a sense that I've been 'challenged' but haven't laughed.

Fùck that. If I wanted a challenge, I'd play darts.

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That would perhaps be fine, if it weren't for the fact that jokes about Trump often focus on his appearance and jokes about Brexit are increasingly taking a distinctly violent slant (see the recent cartoons in the New European magazine and widely shared on social media).

Funny how sexism and violence is fine when applied against people you don't like.

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Sexism and violence are one thing (to which I'd add gross ageism), but the best bit is the snobbery. Discovering the naked hatred and contempt with which many supposedly left-leaning people hold for the white working classes has surprised even me.

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Originally Posted by Burney

Comedy's job is to do one thing and one thing only: make people laugh. If I pay 20 quid to be amused by some cünt, I'll be less than impressed if all I emerge with is a sense that I've been 'challenged' but haven't laughed.

Fùck that. If I wanted a challenge, I'd play darts.

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I agree it needs to be funny but if we reduce it to that and nothing else it is going to get a bit boring.......

Darts is actually pretty ****ing easy. I would have gone with golf.

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I agree it needs to be funny but if we reduce it to that and nothing else it is going to get a bit boring.......

Darts is actually pretty ****ing easy. I would have gone with golf.

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I'm not saying comedy can only be banal, I'm saying that it has to be funny first and if it must challenge, it has to do so on the back of being funny. If you're sacrificing funny for politics, you're getting it wrong.

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I'm not saying comedy can only be banal, I'm saying that it has to be funny first and if it must challenge, it has to do so on the back of being funny. If you're sacrificing funny for politics, you're getting it wrong.

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Like Ben Elton you mean :-)

Peter is getting it wrong
Laughs are first and foremost
Anything more is a bonus

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It would be better if they made it funny but isn't the point of any art form to challenge the audience?

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Firstly, no. The point of art is not to challenge. Challenge is an optional extra, or one of many things that art can do. Secondly, what I understand to be the mainstream politics of stand-up doesn't remotely challenge most of its audience, which seems to be happy to keep paying people to make the same sneering UKIP and Brexit jokes for years, perhaps because it re-affirms their sense of superiority.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

become “woke” are going with is that they wouldn’t make the same jokes they’d have made 15 years ago, blaming youthful ignorance for their past misdemeanours.

The problem is, you can usually go back significantly closer than 15 years to find them making jokes that wouldn’t get past the progressive mafia today. For example, in the case of that cretinous **** Sarah Silverman, I recently saw a video of her from about 5 years ago making jokes about suicide So we’re meant to believe that she’s changed her entire philosophy on what we should be allowed to make jokes about in five years?

I did like this bit from her Guardian interview:

*******

I mention a line she used in her Jesus is Magic tour in 2005: “I was raped by a doctor. Which is, you know, so bittersweet for a Jewish girl.” She looks panicked when I mention it, and replies quickly: “Comedy is not evergreen! There are jokes I made 15 years ago that I would absolutely not make today, because I am less ignorant than I was. I know more now than I did. I change with new information.”

The thing is, I say – and I suppose this is where comedy gets very complicated – I actually brought that line up because it’s one of the funniest things I have ever heard.

“Oh!” she says, visibly relieved. “Thank you.”

******

As I said: ****.

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I'm sorry, I don't get that joke. :goyim:

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Sexism and violence are one thing (to which I'd add gross ageism), but the best bit is the snobbery. Discovering the naked hatred and contempt with which many supposedly left-leaning people hold for the white working classes has surprised even me.

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This comment makes no sense to me. Whatsoever. But that's all right, I never watch comedy. Not unless I'm absolutely sure going in that it's going to be funny.

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I'm sorry, I don't get that joke. :goyim:

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There is an oft-repeated cliche about Jewish parents always hassling their daughters to find themselves a "nice Jewish boy", i.e. a bloke with a bit of cash* and a solid, respectable job* such as a doctor or a lawyer. Thus, getting raped by a doctor would have leeeeetle bit the silver lining.

*This may or may not be why I am married to a goyim :-|

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Originally Posted by Monty92

There is an oft-repeated cliche about Jewish parents always hassling their daughters to find themselves a "nice Jewish boy", i.e. a bloke with a bit of cash* and a solid, respectable job* such as a doctor or a lawyer. Thus, getting raped by a doctor would have leeeeetle bit the silver lining.

*This may or may not be why I am married to a goyim :-|

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Ah ah. Ach so ach so. :-)