Ospina an assurance that he’ll remain our Champions League goalie through the knock out phases subject to form?
Ospina an assurance that he’ll remain our Champions League goalie through the knock out phases subject to form?
Wenger didn't give Ospina an assurance that he’ll remain our Champions League goalie through the knock out phases. By adding the subject to form, you are basically agreeing with what I said in the first place i.e. as he actually said and I believe repeated this week, he maintains the right to change keeper whenever he wants. That was my point, which you mystifyingly failed to grasp then and seemed intent on making the same point now.
Interesting situation none-the-less, given the fairly strong rumours that Wenger was considering dropping Cech at the weekend, it seems logical that he should continue with Ospina for now
:hehe: Among other things, the point we are mocking you for - you seem to want to leave sw out of this and he was just as much deriding you as me - is that the caveat makes the whole promise utterly meaningless
Besides you are being slightly disingenuous to suggest it was just that Wenger promised him, you said it did it as a result of a threat from Ospina to leave, which Wenger caved into. Nothing that has happened - or been said - to suggest that to be true
Your original comment:
"So reading between the lines of Wenger’s comments I assume that Ospina said he’d only stay if he got to play in the Champions League/domestic cup games".
That is still a reasonable assumption for me to have made, although by couching it in tabloid terms like '"threat" you've made it sound a bit like a conspiracy theory, which was not my intention.
I merely think that it's entirely reasonable to imagine that Wenger asked Ospina to stay and his decision to do so was made on the basis that Wenger said he'd be his CL keeper, subject to form. And I fail to believe you don't agree 100% with this.
You're struggling - yet again - to follow the logical argument. I think it very likely that Ospina and Wenger discussed how much Ospina might play this season and that part of that discussion involved at least a mention of the CL.
I think it very unlikely - and this is what you were derided for - that there was a discussion in which Ospina indicated that unless he was the CL keeper this season he was going to leave.
I hope, but doubt, that that has cleared this up for you.
WHY ARE YOU BANGING ON AND ON ABOUT AN ALLEGED CONVERSATION OF WHICH YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE, YOU FÚCKING LUNATIC?
I put it to you that my postman, Richard, told his wife that he likes wearing his shorts during the winter and that no, his knees don't get cold. Actually that's wrong, he told her that he gets freezing in January and February and wants to wear trousers and she said, "Balls to that, we're not paying to dry clean your trousers, wear shorts." No, wait, what he said was, "Is there any chance of you learning to play the rusty trombone?" Yes, that's definitely the one, and I know this conversation took place because, like you, I make up entirely imaginary conversations in my head and then swear blind they're true.
Mental case.
Arsene says
"We have a rule that the keepers know. It's important to have clear rules like that. They know what the rules are for the season. If they change, I'll tell them.
"It's down to performances. On what he delivered tonight, [Ospina] has the right to stay in the team for the next Champions League game (at home to Basel in a fortnight)."
Because it's a conversation that we all know is almost certain to have happened. A conversation between a manager and a goalkeeper strongly linked with a move away due to a lack of first team football.
And it is blindingly obvious that the subject of Ospina being our first choice CL keeper will have been discussed and the fact Ospina remains at the club is likely to have been influenced by that. Yet some still deny this.
"Leezen David, I ave decided shroo ze kindness of my art zat I vill start you in Chompions League but if your form is played with little bit andbreak on I will ave Petr in goal but look I make no promises on zat"
For the record I rarely listen to a word Wenger says, and when he does I rarely believe a word he says. Invariably I sense he talks an inordinate amount of bollócks, utter bollócks at that. Same as most football managers to be fair but he does it in a Gallic accent which some people confuse with adding more weight to his bollócks.
Here’s the thing, you are perpetuating an argument about an actual conversation or discussion that took place.
You were not present for this conversation. You have not heard a recording of this conversation. You have not read a transcript of this conversation.
None of us were.
Essentially you are yet again, and this is a recurring experience, making yourself look like a complete tool.
In summary. Shut up, for your own sake. Please.
On a side note - why do you think Ospina didn't play in the League cup games. I think it is quite odd that given the limited game time (a month between last Champions League game and FA Cup third round), he didn't want to keep Ospina in the loop. Not related to previous debate, just genuinely curious. Suppose argument is to give Martinez experience but at the expense of Ospina getting games, is it worth it?
I would say that even high profile players don't "threaten" to leave, using that kind of language. I'm sure in the vast, vast majority of cases, these conversations are had in an entirely amicable and non-confrontational atmosphere, often between agent and manager, because generally speaking getting what you want is made easier by staying on good terms with whoever stands in your way.
But ultimately it all adds up to the same thing, and in ospina's case, that is "play me in the CL or i'm off", as indicated by Wenger's quotes about needing to play both goalkeepers if you're going to keep them both.
I find it hard to beleive that any player would be content to have only 6 games a season if he is a regular international...... and it is months since the last CL game and he hasn't had a look in at a PL game since I would suggest he isn't "pushing" Cech for a PL place