Seems a touch lenient based on the spend infringements vs Everton's*
*According to Twitter
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Seems a touch lenient based on the spend infringements vs Everton's*
*According to Twitter
They’ll no doubt appeal, if for no other reason than to reduce it to 2 or 3. All part of the game.
More importantly, with each example of this type of punishment, City come one step closer to a massive deduction/fine/something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7sisters
Sorry, I just don't see how the FA can allow anything else to happen without making themselves and the league look ridiculous.
Innocent until proven guilty, and all that :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by WES
I don't want to win a title because they have been docked points. Would be a hollow victory. (City, not Forest!)
I'll take it, 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Boars, imo. And that goes for Nottingham Forest too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Right. Spot on. Cheating *******s.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Best solution is a ten billion pound fine. Donate the money to the needy.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
You do realise these people have money pissing out of the very ground on which they walk? And, in any case, "Sidi" Mansour has no heart at all. No, no, no heart at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Doesn't mean they are happy losing it. I want fines that are big enough to convince these people to piss off and take their money somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
I'd go for it if we can. I doubt any retrospective action will take place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I'm needy - I fully support thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter
I'm not sure needing to pay a bar tab counts as 'needy'Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
You've clearly never seen my bar tabsQuote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Oh, well. At least they didn't buy THAT lot :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
So would I. And I think the Scousers et al showed be retrospectively awarded titles for years they cheated. And us for last year. And they should be relegated a division for every season they've cheated.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
Not much of a parade though, is it. Come and celebrate the title we have been retrospectively awarded from 3 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
Plus.... you didn't win, did you. They were the better side, they just cheated on the spending. There is something about that I wouldn't want to celebrate.
No, t'was the cheating that MADE them the better side. Impossible to separate the two. Beers for the Arsenal all round, I reckon. Dancing in the streets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
But they were still the better side..... even if you don't separate the two, you didn't actually win. Either you're in the results business or you're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
I agree with Reds. It was cheating that made them the better side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
We loaned Raya to stay in budget. Were we allowed to cheat we could have had a winter window this year like last when we tried twice to buy a very expensive player and still made three great signings. {Leo, Jakob and Jorgy have all been starting during our recent good run.}
Were we allowed to cheat like City, we could have bought 3 top players this winter and we'd feel more confident about the two comps we're still in.
How would we feel in LFC had cheated this winter and spent £150m on two players? Wouldn't seem fair.
I agree that it's not a great parade for a trophy you won 3 years ago. Which is why every single scouse fan {and us} should be allowed to sue the City owners for a fortune.
I agree that cheating made them the better side. But they were still the better side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
I am not saying I will be joining the celebration police, but I won't be joining you all on the open top bus parade either.
But they weren't the better side in 2010 or whenever it was that they started cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Just like Ben Johnson and Lance Armstrong won their races. But only because they cheated.
Slightly different, although I take the point. Ben Johnson artificially enhanced his performance. He ran faster because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
City haven't done that. The players themselves won everything fair and square. They are not better players because they cost more or they earn more and nothing has been done to enhance their actual performance. Pound for pound (pardon the pun) they were the best side and deservedly won the league.
The cheating is in how that squad was put together and specifically how much it cost. It sits outside the sphere of actual performance.
That said, think about the guy who came second to Ben Johnson. Yeah, he gets the medal, and he does deserve it. But Johnson ruined the occasion for him. It's a win, but a pretty hollow one.
I'm not saying City don't deserve to be stripped of the titles (I don't know if they do or they don't). I am just saying it would mean littler or nothing to me. I'm never going to count last season as a title win, under any circumstances. Still, it was a ****ing great season anyway and I thoroughly enjoyed it :-)
Didn't Carl Lewis finish second to Johnson. Carl Lewis who at the 1988 Olympics trial had three positive results on a combined test for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine. Not really relevant to the whole point but I never liked himQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Well, if everyone cheats then it is a fair result :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
My preference is for us to get docked points and still win the league. That was ****ing brilliant :-)
Indeed, p, happy daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Ben Johnson was a very silly case indeed, especially the aftermath. A condition of his punishment was to undertake a sort of piety and forgiveness tour; going to schools and colleges. So he'd roll up in the ghetto in his Lamborghini, dripping in gold and jewels and Gucci and wag the finger and warn kids about the dangers and consequences of doing drugs :homer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
No, **** 'em. They've allegedly, apparently cheated the whole of football, not just us and Liverpool and nobody associated with Manchester City should ever be tempted to mention the whole sordid episode ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
They made Big Ron do something similar. It was not at all successful, but pretty funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
In that case, Linford won gold. He never cheated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
Right. He had to go to Africa, didn't he. Or the American Deep South, somewhere like that. As if he'd never met a darkie before lol. Nice work, if you can get it. Wouldn't mind a trip to Africa myself just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter
Government here might be offering trips to Rwanda?Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
They made him to an equality and diversity seminar in the midlands with a load of people who were more racist than him. He came out even more convinced that he hadn't done anything wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgunamo
And yes, he went to a Museum of Racism in Alabama, looked at some old racist dolls and said they were no worse than spitting image :-)
Special needyQuote:
Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda
Errr, fairly sure he got banned for drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult
that final wasn't the best advert for athletics was it. Fairly sure the slowest lad on the grid could have taken his time, supped a beer (legal drug), and sauntered over the line in a minute and 14 seconds and end up getting the gold 20 years laterQuote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
I was being ironic.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSRB
That was '88, wasn't it? He got done for drugs some time after he won gold in '92. But in '88, when Johnson got done, the Beeb {or someone} asked Linford what he felt about now going up from a bronze to a sliver. He said he was happy with his bronze. Thought that was a bit strange at the time, but makes sense now.
Guess it must have been like the TdF. Everyone was on it, everyone had the same drugs, so they all thought the results fair.