http://youtu.be/CV2uAMGN9JU
meet the leaders of both factions :o
By the way...what a beat down on Saturday...the Wenger Out didn't expect that level of support for Arsene!
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http://youtu.be/CV2uAMGN9JU
meet the leaders of both factions :o
By the way...what a beat down on Saturday...the Wenger Out didn't expect that level of support for Arsene!
Alfonso Ribero placed into protective custody by the Wenger Ins imo
The supporters, regardless of where they sit on this issue, have the same problem
The Wenger outs want them out because change is better than no change
The Wenger ins want him to stay because no change is better than change
Go figure...
Problem is....if you watch the video it seems the leaders of both sides have their own person battles with each other and just using the Wenger topic as fuel to go to war....
He still thinks he's a good enough manager to win the league, from what we've seen the last 10+ years he's obviously not. Do we stick with him because we pity the man and don't want to hurt his feelings, or send him on his way and get someone new in to hopefully change things for the better?
There's one thing I'd say....he's got 1 year left on his contract.
Would be criminal to sack him now...not offering him a new contract is one thing but sacking him...that's way over the top.
Personally don't think he's done anything to warrant a sacking....it's certainly not on the scale of the complete goof ball who thought it was a smart move to bid 40m plus 1 for Suarez....that was a lot worse...we lost on Higuain trying to get Suarez only for some idiot to bid 1 pound over...that's far more sackable than what Arsene has done.
I don't think they have a direction for the club at all. I think it is a case of leave it to Arsene and see what happens. Not a problem if you know Arsene will stay and not a problem if the club are achieving their aims but what happens when he rejects that new contract? I think there will be collective panic on the board and they will make a mistake with their next hire.
He won't be sacked that's for sure, so it's a case of what does he have to do to get the "Wenger Out" camp back in favour?
For me personally he would have to win the Premier League or Champions League to show he's still got what it takes to be a winner at the top level.
I suspect that Wenger is going to be the one that finds his successor. If so there is a better chance of him finding a good one. What we do not want is for him to walk out early and leave this decision to the board. I doubt they could find a needle in a pile of needles.
Some of the Wenger Outs are pretty hardcore and want him gone irrespective of what he wins...PL and / or CL
Shame really...
Seriously though, why the hurry? We should take our time and wait for the right man to become available. I wouldve loved for it to be Klopp, mind. But that ship has sailed, across the Mersey no less.
Who would you go for YoM? I mean you seem to have given the whole business plenty of thought.
You do realise that the board are unlikely to have a successor lined up and that it is likely that Wenger will have appoint his own successor, don't you? If we were to get shot of Wenger now, would you trust Gazidis, Kronke and Fish and Chips to find Wenger's replacement?
You see, you've hit the nail on the head. Why exactly did the Klopp ship sail? Three years ago he was widely acknowledged to be absolutely the right man for the Arsenal job. One year ago he left Dortmund with no other club in mind and could have been snapped up . If we did not have an American owner who did not give a toss so long as the club was coasting in 3rd or 4th, he would have acted quickly and decisively and made the change then.
There are a host of managers out there who are now capable of improving Arsenal where Wenger no longer can do. Top cab off the rank would be Simeone (since you've asked). Before anyone says he wouldn't come, you may be right. But the idea that only one or two people in the game could improve us is clearly rubbish. There is no case for indulging one man's ego for another year.
that you are now prepared to finger young Jürgen. After all, isn't it normally your thing to demand of others to name their man?
I agree with you about all this nonsense though. We seem to have ended up with the worst of both worlds; when the end does come, the AKBs will be unhappy their man has gone, whilst the WOBs will be full of regret that they will have failed to force Him out :-\
I'm not kicking off here, just wanting to understand the PoV more. Yes, I wouldve liked Klopp to be our next manager. But then again, it did go all sour for him very suddenly - team in the relegation zone for half a season, arguments with the board - but we werent going to part with wenger on the back of two FA Cups, were we? Some things arent meant to be and all that.
Simeone is an interesting choice, I'll grant you. Though I think he's wedded to Atleti almost as much as Arsene is to us, even at his stickiest. I'm not entirely sure it's a goer.
I dont think the field is too open for a successor tbh, there's certainly nobody I would rather have than AW out there right now. Ancelotti? Capello possibly, maybe Koeman, Tuchel?
We'll hopefully only be kicking Him upstairs, rather than running Him out of London, imo. He'd still be on hand to name His successor.
And even if he weren't, any board of directors can watch Match of the Day or visit ladbrokes.com to see whom they should appoint next. It's football, not rocket science.
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I dunno about Jogi though, seems a bit too....knitweary, for me. Also, there's going to be murders if he tries to make Bouldie dress exactly the same as him all the time. Or keeps feeling him up.
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C'mon red, I think you are over simplifying it. If David Dein went to Ladbrokes just under 20 years ago he would have been hiring Johann Cruyff.
Of course, we may be sending him upstairs but if we piss him off, we may not have that option available to him.
[QUOTE=redgunamo;4109514]We'll hopefully only be kicking Him upstairs, rather than running Him out of London, imo. He'd still be on hand to name His successor.
And even if he weren't, any board of directors can watch Match of the Day or visit ladbrokes.com to see whom they should appoint next. It's football, not rocket science.[/QUO
Name his successor? Why on earth should it be anything to do with him who takes over. Fergie was accorded that privilege, and to be fair he was leaving them as champions, but it did them no favours to be saddled with his Glaswegian pal Moyes. I don't want one of Wenger's yes-men foisted on us, that would defeat the point of getting rid of him.
So you would like the board to pick his successor?