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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gan-meals.html
Death threats, doesn't sound very vegan-ey
:shakehead: The lunatics do genuinely believe this to be an ethical dilemma, h.
https://pinkybinks.com/2012/05/17/th...nal-parasites/
What? Why? And not just vegetarianism, but its lunatic cousin veganism?
I am disappoint, p. I knew you had your eccentricities, like a tendency to vote Labour, think Tony Blair is anything other than an oleaginous creep with a messianic complex and worship at the altar of Springsteen, but this? I had essentially always thought of you as having a bottom of good sense. I must now reassess this appraisal. :shakehead:
Is it a woman who's done this to you? In my experience, most mad things men of our age do are at the behest of a woman.
It is a woman's fault (as are all things) but I thought I would indulge it for a brief period. It has turned out to be a lot longer than that but it has significant benefits. I have stopped eating some of the bad stuff, lost a bit of weight and discovered a whole new approach to Indian food. Its been worthwhile.
Obviously, when I am not at home I eat what I like but 80-90% of the time I stick with it. Honestly, the food is fine, even the milk is ok. The only bit that really makesyouwanttostab yourself in both eyes is the endless conversations and the visits to vegan cafes where you are forced to talk about veganism and adopt an air of 'holier than thou' smugness.
She made an aloo gobi and a vegetable madras last night that was as good as anything I have ever tasted. Swings and roundabouts.....
Well she is a little younger, but only five years or so. We have been together 11 years so I am not exactly in the grip of an all consuming lust.
It was important to her to give it a go so I said I would try it for a few weeks. It went ok, she is now very happy with it. It really doesnt bother me- as I have said before, I dont really care about food. And I can still eat what I like when I am out.
The main things that get cut out are cakes, pastries, takeaways- the sort of stuff I shouldn't be eating anyway. I am better and healthier for it, and my suits fit better.
If the odd pig or chicken got a reprieve because of me, good luck to them :)
Fair enough, I suppose. I just get increasingly pïssed off with veganism as an ideology. It's ethically vacuous and involves deriving even less pleasure from our short period in this vale of tears. However, I shan't bother rehashing all the arguments. You know your situation best.
I get increasingly irritated as to why it has to be an ideology, why one's diet cannot simply be one's diet. I said as much in a vegan cafe and got glared at by someone who I could best describe as a hippy ****.
In other words, is it ok if I just dont eat meat, fish and dairy? Do I have to also buy the T shirts, wear the healing crystals, label the rest of the world as murderers and believe that seeds constitute lunch?
Does my tea have to be green, or blue, or red, or stink of ****? Cant it just be murky brown?
Veganism would be great if it werent for the ****ing vegans :(
I think that's the point, though. There is only one valid reason to not eat meat, because you don't like the taste.
As soon as it becomes more than that it becomes an ideology of some kind. And at that point it becomes irritating and pathetic and, more importantly, intellectually indefensible.
Exactly so. I suspect that, in earlier times, these people would have been puritans, inquisitors and flagellants. If they lived in the Middle East, they'd all be in ISIS. For a lot of them, it's about holier-than-thou purity more than it's about the cuddly-wuddly ickle animals.
Nonsense. There is nothing remotely indefensible, intellectually or otherwise, about not wanting to eat meat. About a third of the world manage to do it without drivelling on about it.
It is people who turn it into an ideology and the main reason for this is to establish a moral superiority to make up for the fact that they can no longer have a bacon sandwich.
I have lost count of the number of times I have been asked'dont you feel better than everybodyelse' by a vegan. They seriously, seriously hate my answer :)
Well quite. It's impossible to justify prioritising the suffering of animals while living a modern life that invariably involves involvement in the suffering of millions of our fellow human beings. If you are using an iPhone to tweet about the iniquities of the dairy industry, you are effectively admitting that you care more about the suffering of cows than you do about the suffering of the untold numbers of humans horribly exploited to facilitate your moral grandstanding. That to me is an ethically indefensible (indeed almost sociopathic) position and the selectivity of conscience involved in it requires a level of cognitive dissonance I find intellectually repugnant.
Everyone's hands are dirty, I'm afraid. Suffering is the sine qua non of existence. We need to learn to accept that we make moral choices all the time - consciously or unconsciously - to accept the suffering of others as a price worth paying for our pleasure. In that context, getting het up about animals is simply ridiculous.
You need to get away from this notion of innocence. It is a meaningless concept in moral or ethical terms. Animals are neither innocent nor guilty. They simply are.
Is a mosquito innocent or guilty when it's giving you malaria? When rats spread the Black Death were they guilty? No. They're just doing their mosquito and rat thing just as we are doing our human thing.
Nonsense. We are doing our human thing from a position of awareness. We have knowledge of the consequences and morality of our actions. The mosquito does not.
People choose to be fundamentally awful. Corbyn chooses to support the IRA or whichever oppressive dictator takes his fancy on the day. Owen Jones chooses to be a repulsive little gimp and consciously tries to use his position to encourage turning this country into a socialist hellhole, even though he knows the effect this will have on his fellow citizens. peter chooses to support these monsters. sw chooses to spunk his wages on Guinness, beat his children and píss in his wife's wardrobe.
All conscious choices. All guilty.