Open-topped bus parade on the 28th :cloud9:

Where though.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Where though.

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Kings Road and Cheyne Walk.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Kings Road and Cheyne Walk.

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Very nice :-(

Surely there must be a 5th place trophy we can parade?

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Where though.

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City of London bus tours?

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Where though.

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I see LK said said he'd rather win the 4th place trophy than the FA Cup. Sky will be sharpening their knives ready to discuss it tonight.

Silverware is why we all played football blah blah blah. Bore off.

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Originally Posted by Rich

I see LK said said he'd rather win the 4th place trophy than the FA Cup. Sky will be sharpening their knives ready to discuss it tonight.

Silverware is why we all played football blah blah blah. Bore off.

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The irony being that Sky can't be bothered with the FA Cup either.

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Originally Posted by Rich

I see LK said said he'd rather win the 4th place trophy than the FA Cup. Sky will be sharpening their knives ready to discuss it tonight.

Silverware is why we all played football blah blah blah. Bore off.

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Sky can say what they want, I think, for the money they pay.

Our captain is perfectly correct though, even if only because the fourth-place trophy will be decided before the FA Cup final.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Sky can say what they want, I think, for the money they pay.

Our captain is perfectly correct though, even if only because the fourth-place trophy will be decided before the FA Cup final.

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You on the gear, red? The FA Cup is always more important than some quasi 4th place trophy nonsense.

Always.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

You on the gear, red? The FA Cup is always more important than some quasi 4th place trophy nonsense.

Always.

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I mean, we are still on course to win both.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

You on the gear, red? The FA Cup is always more important than some quasi 4th place trophy nonsense.

Always.

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Might I make so bold as to clarify something?

The 'fourth place trophy' idea with which so many like to bash our greatest ever manager stems from a perfectly reasonable comment. He said that fourth place was 'like a trophy', which, indeed, it is, since every club achieving CL qualification celebrates it as a success.

'Like a trophy'. Not, 'is a trophy'. 'Like a trophy.'

It takes either an incredibly lazy, or incredibly vindictive mindset to continually beat Arsene around the head by warping a perfectly reasonable comment.

Carry on.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

I mean, we are still on course to win both.

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Ah, I see. Lord knows how I was meant to understand that given what you posted, but then again if we understood you, you would lose some of your charm, red. :-)

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Might I make so bold as to clarify something?

The 'fourth place trophy' idea with which so many like to bash our greatest ever manager stems from a perfectly reasonable comment. He said that fourth place was 'like a trophy', which, indeed, it is, since every club achieving CL qualification celebrates it as a success.

'Like a trophy'. Not, 'is a trophy'. 'Like a trophy.'

It takes either an incredibly lazy, or incredibly vindictive mindset to continually beat Arsene around the head by warping a perfectly reasonable comment.

Carry on.

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Footballistically, it's *******s though. I'm convinced He wishes He'd never said it, especially in front of the men.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

You on the gear, red? The FA Cup is always more important than some quasi 4th place trophy nonsense.

Always.

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Would you feel the same if you discovered that Sanchez would only stay if we qualified for the CL?

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Footballistically, it's *******s though. I'm convinced He wishes He'd never said it, especially in front of the men.

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No it's not. It's an absolutely valid point.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

Might I make so bold as to clarify something?

The 'fourth place trophy' idea with which so many like to bash our greatest ever manager stems from a perfectly reasonable comment. He said that fourth place was 'like a trophy', which, indeed, it is, since every club achieving CL qualification celebrates it as a success.

'Like a trophy'. Not, 'is a trophy'. 'Like a trophy.'

It takes either an incredibly lazy, or incredibly vindictive mindset to continually beat Arsene around the head by warping a perfectly reasonable comment.

Carry on.

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Certainly you can clarify it, and you have every right to hold that view, of course.

And others have every right to disagree. And those who disagree would argue that it is nothing like a trophy at all and shouldn't in any way be celebrated as such. I would be one of those people and my view has nothing to do with my attitude towards Wenger, it has everything to do with much of what I consider to be wrong about modern day football.

Avoiding relegation is celebrated as a success as well. Is that like a trophy? I think not.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Footballistically, it's *******s though. I'm convinced He wishes He'd never said it, especially in front of the men.

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He's repeated it since

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Would you feel the same if you discovered that Sanchez would only stay if we qualified for the CL?

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Yes, absolutely.

BTW, Sanchez will stay if we pay him what he wants regardless of CL football. Which is just another reason that the 'like a trophy' theory is nonsense.

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He's repeated it since

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Sure. Having said it once, He's committed to it. Even more so with the way things have gone.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Certainly you can clarify it, and you have every right to hold that view, of course.

And others have every right to disagree. And those who disagree would argue that it is nothing like a trophy at all and shouldn't in any way be celebrated as such. I would be one of those people and my view has nothing to do with my attitude towards Wenger, it has everything to do with much of what I consider to be wrong about modern day football.

Avoiding relegation is celebrated as a success as well. Is that like a trophy? I think not.

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If, on Sunday (having won tonight), we find ourselves ahead against Everton and in the last moments news filters through that Boro have scored an unlikely equaliser at Anfield, how would you describe the ensuing scenes you may be likely to witness around The Emirates?

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Certainly you can clarify it, and you have every right to hold that view, of course.

And others have every right to disagree. And those who disagree would argue that it is nothing like a trophy at all and shouldn't in any way be celebrated as such. I would be one of those people and my view has nothing to do with my attitude towards Wenger, it has everything to do with much of what I consider to be wrong about modern day football.

Avoiding relegation is celebrated as a success as well. Is that like a trophy? I think not.

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The problem with your argument here isn't so much that it's bóllocks, although clearly it is, it's that you don't believe it for a second.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Yes, absolutely.

BTW, Sanchez will stay if we pay him what he wants regardless of CL football. Which is just another reason that the 'like a trophy' theory is nonsense.

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Fair enough, I entirely sympathise with your point of view (genuinely). Personally I would favour us remaining in the CL, not because it's "like a trophy", but as a means to an end. That is, I think we have a better chance of winning meaningful trophies in the future by remaining a CL club than by winning the occasional FA Cup.

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The problem with your argument here isn't so much that it's bóllocks, although clearly it is, it's that you don't believe it for a second.

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There's not allowed to be losers anymore; everyone has to get a prize or they'll blub

:-( #snowflakes

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Fair enough, I entirely sympathise with your point of view (genuinely). Personally I would favour us remaining in the CL, not because it's "like a trophy", but as a means to an end. That is, I think we have a better chance of winning meaningful trophies in the future by remaining a CL club than by winning the occasional FA Cup.

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But do you accept that it may also be possible, maybe even more likely, for us to win meaningful silverware without Champions League football?

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But do you accept that it may also be possible, maybe even more likely, for us to win meaningful silverware without Champions League football?

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As oppose to while competing in that famously easy-on-the-legs competition, the Waffer Cup?

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Would you feel the same if you discovered that Sanchez would only stay if we qualified for the CL?

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You seem to forget that WES knows **** all about football... just ignore him

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As oppose to while competing in that famously easy-on-the-legs competition, the Waffer Cup?

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No trophy is easy*, everyone knows that. Maybe we need to return to this after Manchester United win it :-\


*Your mum.

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As oppose to while competing in that famously easy-on-the-legs competition, the Waffer Cup?

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Which is both literally a trophy and gets you a CL slot. Almost like two trophies, in fact.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Avoiding relegation is celebrated as a success as well. Is that like a trophy? I think not.

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Actually - it is like a trophy, hence that is why it is celebrated in such a way and I am sure it has been referred to as such as. Like here

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/...oyet-1-6600361

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Originally Posted by Ash

Which is both literally a trophy and gets you a CL slot. Almost like two trophies, in fact.

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:hehe: wd ash

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If, on Sunday (having won tonight), we find ourselves ahead against Everton and in the last moments news filters through that Boro have scored an unlikely equaliser at Anfield, how would you describe the ensuing scenes you may be likely to witness around The Emirates?

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I would expect a fairly subdued celebration amongst a crowd struggling to fill the stadium.

They're bored with this game, you see.

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Fair enough, I entirely sympathise with your point of view (genuinely). Personally I would favour us remaining in the CL, not because it's "like a trophy", but as a means to an end. That is, I think we have a better chance of winning meaningful trophies in the future by remaining a CL club than by winning the occasional FA Cup.

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Three FA Cups in four years, which is what we are talking about here is not an "occasional FA Cup".

Also, if Arsene could win 7 FA Cups, that will probably never be bettered.

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

Actually - it is like a trophy, hence that is why it is celebrated in such a way and I am sure it has been referred to as such as. Like here

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/...oyet-1-6600361

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Well that's Gustavo's view and he's entitled to hold it. I rather disagree.

Staying up being like a trophy is what clubs like Sunderland think. We - however - are the Arsenal.

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Originally Posted by Ash

Which is both literally a trophy and gets you a CL slot. Almost like two trophies, in fact.

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And it also spares you having embarrassing scenes of jubilation, involving your hundert million pound world record signing dancing on the pitch because you've scraped fourth place, beamed around the world #fergieknows :-|

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Well that's Gustavo's view and he's entitled to hold it. I rather disagree.

Staying up being like a trophy is what clubs like Sunderland think. We - however - are the Arsenal.

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Seems strange then that Liverpool and Man City are both celbrating every victory like it is a cup final.. almost as if they think being in the CL is bloody important

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Originally Posted by Ash

Three FA Cups in four years, which is what we are talking about here is not an "occasional FA Cup".

Also, if Arsene could win 7 FA Cups, that will probably never be bettered.

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I will be very happy indeed if we win the FA Cup and my hypothetical preference for Top Four is with a heavy heart, since it cannot compete with the satisfaction of seeing your team win silverware.

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Well that's Gustavo's view and he's entitled to hold it. I rather disagree.

Staying up being like a trophy is what clubs like Sunderland think. We - however - are a certain section of Arsenal fans, whose sense of entitlement is way out of control.

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There fixed that for you :)

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

There fixed that for you :)

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I would :rolleyes: you if I didn't find that so :hehe:

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Seems strange then that Liverpool and Man City are both celbrating every victory like it is a cup final.. almost as if they think being in the CL is bloody important

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Both those clubs have reason to be more sanguine about their future in that competition, should they qualify, than we do though. The European Cup has been most kind to Liverpool down the years and Manchester City are now armed with the "best manager in the world" who in turn will be armed with all the money in the world and perhaps also Lionel Messi too. Neither outfit will be looking at the thing as merely a money-making jaunt or as a prelude to a tonking from Bayern München in the knockout rounds.

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There fixed that for you :)

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BTW, now that I've stopped laughing, I'm loving the idea that supporters of one of the ten richest clubs in the world who don't consider avoiding relegation to be trophy have a sense of entitlement that is way out of control.

That is some seriously top class lunacy/drunkenness right there. :clap: