So The Guardian et al are outraged because 40% of people tasered in London are black

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Originally Posted by Peter

Not really about race though is it. More yer disenfranchised white working class Trump voter kind of deal. Not that I would accuse Ralph of that kind of thing.

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Why are you assuming that Ralph was white?

Bit racist :sniff:

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Originally Posted by Peter

I note the repeated use of the word 'accused' there. I think you know where I am going with this.

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I can guess. You're saying that accusation isn't guilt and that this might just show that the Met is racist, etc, etc. However, officers are required to provide evidence before they charge anyone with a crime and, since that involves things like witness statements, etc, this will often mean the suspect is independently identified as black. Equally, there is no getting way from the fact that in 54% of street crimes/59% of robbery/67% of gun crimes where police catch their suspect, that suspect is black. I suspect the conviction rates would be similar.
Equally, since the conviction rate for violent offences is around 80% (much higher if you remove rape from the equation), it's fair to say that being charged and arraigned is a reasonable general indicator of guilt.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

He came home too drunk
From mixing Tanqueray and wine
Got a gun
Killed a night clerk
Now they call him Johnny 99.

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To be fair, he did have debts no honest man could pay. Now I aint saying that makes him an innocent man.

I am saying that Johnny gets a fair old airing live. Would it kill him to do My Father's House, just once??

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Originally Posted by Burney

I can guess. You're saying that accusation isn't guilt and that this might just show that the Met is racist, etc, etc. However, officers are required to provide evidence before they charge anyone with a crime and, since that involves things like witness statements, etc, this will often mean the suspect is independently identified as black. Equally, there is no getting way from the fact that in 54% of street crimes/59% of robbery/67% of gun crimes where police catch their suspect, that suspect is black. I suspect the conviction rates would be similar.
Equally, since the conviction rate for violent offences is around 80% (much higher if you remove rape from the equation), it's fair to say that being charged and arraigned is a reasonable general indicator of guilt.

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But rich white men made them do them fings. Because, I dunno, slavery?

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Originally Posted by Sir C

He came home too drunk
From mixing Tanqueray and wine
Got a gun
Killed a night clerk
Now they call him Johnny 99.

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Too drunk for what?

And 99 years for murder, I hardly think this likely.

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Originally Posted by Sir C

He came home too drunk
From mixing Tanqueray and wine
Got a gun
Killed a night clerk
Now they call him Johnny 99.

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Tanqueray and wine has always bothered me. Were they in the same glass? :yikes:

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Originally Posted by Peter

To be fair, he did have debts no honest man could pay. Now I aint saying that makes him an innocent man.

I am saying that Johnny gets a fair old airing live. Would it kill him to do My Father's House, just once??

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Does he still do Nebraska? I like that won.

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Originally Posted by Burney

I can guess. You're saying that accusation isn't guilt and that this might just show that the Met is racist, etc, etc. However, officers are required to provide evidence before they charge anyone with a crime and, since that involves things like witness statements, etc, this will often mean the suspect is independently identified as black. Equally, there is no getting way from the fact that in 54% of street crimes/59% of robbery/67% of gun crimes where police catch their suspect, that suspect is black. I suspect the conviction rates would be similar.
Equally, since the conviction rate for violent offences is around 80% (much higher if you remove rape from the equation), it's fair to say that being charged and arraigned is a reasonable general indicator of guilt.

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You'd be a bundle of joy on a jury wouldn't you. Charges are a reasonable indicator of guilt? Are they are reasonable indicator of the need to TASER?

Of these 40% that were TASERED, how many were charged/found guilty?

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Originally Posted by SWv2

Too drunk for what?

And 99 years for murder, I hardly think this likely.

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Ralph was certainly shocked at the severity of the sentence. And he said so.

Well your honour I do believe I'd be better off dead
So if you can take a man's life for the thoughts that's in his head
Then sit back in that chair and think it over judge one more time
And let 'em shave off my hair and put me on that killin' line

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Originally Posted by SWv2

Too drunk for what?

And 99 years for murder, I hardly think this likely.

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I imagine much of that sentence was for mixing gin and wine in the same glass. :-( I'd hang a man for that.