That is a seriously **** team. Awful full backs, dreadful midfield and a useless

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An absurdly over-rated, over-hyped ultra-fashionable NME-type band, who achieved some level of popularity a decade-or-two back because people were told to like them by the NM fùcking E. Fronted by a complete tosspot.

Just my opinion of course, but HTH :thumbup:

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Such a powerful argument compels full agreement and no further questions asked, I reckon.

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Originally Posted by SWv2

The singly most over-rated and hyped band in the history of recorded music, perhaps with the exception of The Strokes.

NME darlings.

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Hyperbole. Classic example.

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Originally Posted by Ash

An absurdly over-rated, over-hyped ultra-fashionable NME-type band, who achieved some level of popularity a decade-or-two back because people were told to like them by the NM fùcking E. Fronted by a complete tosspot.

Just my opinion of course, but HTH :thumbup:

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I would struggle to concur with this post more even if I wrote it myself.

Wd A.

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Originally Posted by SWv2

The singly most over-rated and hyped band in the history of recorded music, perhaps with the exception of The Strokes.

NME darlings.

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Hmmm.... werent Suede on the cover of NME or MelodyMaker before they had even released a single?

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Hmmm.... werent Suede on the cover of NME or MelodyMaker before they had even released a single?

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Everyone lost their shít about Sigue Sigue Sputnik, for fúck's sake.

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Originally Posted by SWv2

The singly most over-rated and hyped band in the history of recorded music, perhaps with the exception of The Strokes.

NME darlings.

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I quite liked them :hide:

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Hmmm.... werent Suede on the cover of NME or MelodyMaker before they had even released a single?

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Not sure tbh. They were for sure music media darlings around the time of their first album, headlined the NME stage at Glastonbury on the Friday night, criminally pushing Teenage Fanclub into the support slot.

Thing is the media moved on quickly, almost dropped them when Bernard Butler left.

The Libertines took drugs which was a massive part of their cool. Whatever talent they had was almost secondary.

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Hmmm.... werent Suede on the cover of NME or MelodyMaker before they had even released a single?

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The Theo Walcotts of pop?

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I quite liked them :hide:

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I liked bits of it. But then I also liked The Strokes. And Suede :)

And The Smiths, who seem to take a bashing here on a fairly regular basis.

As with all things, I seem to be a little out of step with the rest of Awimb.

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

I quite liked them :hide:

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I am going to take a speculative stab in the dark here and suggest you were drunk when you heard them.

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Originally Posted by Luis Anaconda

I quite liked them :hide:

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You're a bit of a Camden / Highgate trendy though. I bet you used to hang out doing smack with Amy and everything.

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The Theo Walcotts of pop?

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Maybe the Michael Owen. They were seriously ****ing good at first and got gradually worse as they went along.

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Originally Posted by SWv2

Not sure tbh. They were for sure music media darlings around the time of their first album, headlined the NME stage at Glastonbury on the Friday night, criminally pushing Teenage Fanclub into the support slot.

Thing is the media moved on quickly, almost dropped them when Bernard Butler left.

The Libertines took drugs which was a massive part of their cool. Whatever talent they had was almost secondary.

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It was Melody Maker, dubbing them the Best New Band in Britain before they had released a sodding thing.

I saw Teenage Fanclub at the Garage in Highbury. Great fun...

I think the media moved on from Suede because they were focused on Oasis and Blur. That said, the first two albums are great and it is patchy from then on.

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Originally Posted by Peter

I liked bits of it. But then I also liked The Strokes. And Suede :)

And The Smiths, who seem to take a bashing here on a fairly regular basis.

As with all things, I seem to be a little out of step with the rest of Awimb.

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The Smiths were - quite simply - the best band these islands have produced since The Beatles. Only closet cases affect to dislike them.

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Originally Posted by Burney

The Smiths were - quite simply - the best band these islands have produced since The Beatles. Only closet cases affect to dislike them.

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The Smiths? they were very meh!

But different to most DX7 pressing 80's acts, I'll give you that.

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It was Melody Maker, dubbing them the Best New Band in Britain before they had released a sodding thing.

I saw Teenage Fanclub at the Garage in Highbury. Great fun...

I think the media moved on from Suede because they were focused on Oasis and Blur. That said, the first two albums are great and it is patchy from then on.

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Garage was a great venue. Fall out and roll home down the Holloway Road or Highbury Fields.

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Garage was a great venue. Fall out and roll home down the Holloway Road or Highbury Fields.

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It had possibly the worst toilets I have seen. You were literallywading through piss. It was easier to just stand at the door and point.

But yes, a great venue. Teenage Fan Club were supported by the MAnic Street Preachers at one of their earliest gigs. I spilt the singer's pint after their set.

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The Smiths were - quite simply - the best band these islands have produced since The Beatles. Only closet cases affect to dislike them.

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Yeah, I am not sure I would go that far but they were in a league of their own.

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Originally Posted by IUFG

The Smiths? they were very meh!

But different to most DX7 pressing 80's acts, I'll give you that.

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The 80s is often very unfairly maligned as a bad period for music and is terribly inaccurate, similar to how many people frown on the management of GG at Arsenal focusing only on the latter period and forgetting the brilliance of the earlier years.

The 80s had obviously The Jam and The Style Council but also bands such as The Smiths, Pixies, The Pogues, The Waterboys and then towards the end The Stone Roses, Happy Mondays and the early days of The Wonder Stuff, PWEI and many others.

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It had possibly the worst toilets I have seen. You were literallywading through piss. It was easier to just stand at the door and point.

But yes, a great venue. Teenage Fan Club were supported by the MAnic Street Preachers at one of their earliest gigs. I spilt the singer's pint after their set.

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It's the jacks for fúcks sake.

What do you want to do, eat a fúcking sandwich in there.

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Originally Posted by SWv2

The 80s is often very unfairly maligned as a bad period for music and is terribly inaccurate, similar to how many people frown on the management of GG at Arsenal focusing only on the latter period and forgetting the brilliance of the earlier years.

The 80s had obviously The Jam and The Style Council but also bands such as The Smiths, Pixies, The Pogues, The Waterboys and then towards the end The Stone Roses, Happy Mondays and the early days of The Wonder Stuff, PWEI and many others.

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Music is often packaged as 'movements' by the record industry and media rather than the simple trend/fashion that it is. When people talk about 80smusic they dont mean the stuff you mention.

I mean the 80s saw horrific stadium rock bands dominate the hard rock genre- but it also saw Guns n Roses reverse that trend by making a genuinely great rock album. Followed by Aerosmith returning to form, the Black Crowes etc....but people remember Bon Jovi and Poison for the haircuts. They are more likely to think of Stock Aitken and Walterman than THe Stone Roses or The Wonder Stuff.

Every decade has some great music, some more than others. Its only silly people in media who like to castigate or celebrate an entire decade of music, usually based on some highly tenuous 'cultural critique' . The other day I read a piece from the Guardian saying that Britpop destroyed british music by being too english in its outlook and cultural references, becoming a cultural abomination that turned its back on british music's heritage of having an. International outlook. What total and utter *******s. As though The Smiths, just a few years before, werent horrifically english in their lyrics and outlook...as though Bowie, Syd Barrett, the Small Faces, Pink Floyd and Chas n Dave didnt do exactly the same.

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It's the jacks for fúcks sake.

What do you wan to do, eat a fúcking sandwich in there.

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:nod: Only girls care about the toilets.

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It's the jacks for fúcks sake.

What do you wan to do, eat a fúcking sandwich in there.

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Normal expectation would be an ability to approach the urinal without being ankle deep in piss. an expectation generally met at every other venue, I might add. Even the old Marquee.

I am not saying its a deal breaker. Just, you know, dont put your dancing shoes on :)

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:nod: Only girls care about the toilets.

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THe girls toilets were better, actually. But not much

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Originally Posted by SWv2

The 80s is often very unfairly maligned as a bad period for music and is terribly inaccurate, similar to how many people frown on the management of GG at Arsenal focusing only on the latter period and forgetting the brilliance of the earlier years.

The 80s had obviously The Jam and The Style Council but also bands such as The Smiths, Pixies, The Pogues, The Waterboys and then towards the end The Stone Roses, Happy Mondays and the early days of The Wonder Stuff, PWEI and many others.

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Really? Who maligns the 80s music, exactly?

As a decade, it was miles better than the 70s (which is the worst decade for music EVER) and I can't even remember anything from the 90s it was so bland.

I assumed everyone recognized the 80s as one of the best decades ever for music. :shrug:

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THe girls toilets were better, actually. But not much

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You need a comfortable cubicle to partake of a line or two.

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The 80s is often very unfairly maligned as a bad period for music and is terribly inaccurate, similar to how many people frown on the management of GG at Arsenal focusing only on the latter period and forgetting the brilliance of the earlier years.

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Agreed - I listened to a lot of Chicago House in the 80's, top stuff. There was some decent stuff in the 80's, especially towards the end. Hip Hop and acid house broke through FFS :cloud9:

But to place The Smiths at the zenith of British music since the Beatles . . . :-|

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Really? Who maligns the 80s music, exactly?

As a decade, it was miles better than the 70s (which is the worst decade for music EVER) and I can't even remember anything from the 90s it was so bland.

I assumed everyone recognized the 80s as one of the best decades ever for music. :shrug:

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No, as Pedro has for once correctly pointed out it is often looked back on as bland, the decade that gave us Rick Astley and big hair.

The 90s you see as bland but had 3-4 years of so called Brit Pop when music was saved from death. Perhaps the death of the 80s.

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... I can't even remember anything from the 90s it was so bland.

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Sampling? Brit pop? The fragmentation of dance music into countless genres?, Hip Hop becoming mainstream, etc, etc

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Agreed - I listened to a lot of Chicago House in the 80's, top stuff. There was some decent stuff in the 80's, especially towards the end. Hip Hop and acid house broke through FFS :cloud9:

But to place The Smiths at the zenith of British music since the Beatles . . . :-|

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Well you see B has said this to try and illicit a response from me as you and I both can see that he has chosen to overlook The Jam.

Thankfully I am wise to his moves.

****.

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Some absolutely superb music released in the 90s.

Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld, Dubnobasswithmyheadman, Leftism, Blue Lines, Maxinquaye, Screamadelica.

They are just the very obvious ones that most people will own.

Maybe not The Orb.

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Originally Posted by World's End Stella

Really? Who maligns the 80s music, exactly?

As a decade, it was miles better than the 70s (which is the worst decade for music EVER) and I can't even remember anything from the 90s it was so bland.

I assumed everyone recognized the 80s as one of the best decades ever for music. :shrug:

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Yeah the 70s was awful, you are right. I mean you had to put up with the likes of Zeppelin, Purple, Sabbath, Pink Floyd, Dylan, Leoanard Cohen, Neil Young, Aerosmith, Skynyrd, The Who, The Stones, all near the height of their powers. As if that wasn't bad enough you then had to put up with punk later in the decade.

Awful....just awful :)

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Well you see B has said this to try and illicit a response from me as you and I both can see that he has chosen to overlook The Jam.

Thankfully I am wise to his moves.

****.

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I am not overlooking The Jam, sw. They were simply hugely inferior to The Smiths. This is a fact. Not a question of taste or opinion, a F-A-C-T.

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I am not overlooking The Jam, sw. They were simply hugely inferior to The Smiths. This is a fact. Not a question of taste or opinion, a F-A-C-T.

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100%. It really, really shouldn't need saying.

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Maybe not The Orb.

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of course, you left out Orbital II (the 'brown album') and Exit Planet Dust but, I'll let it go... ;-)

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Yeah the 70s was awful, you are right. I mean you had to put up with the likes of Zeppelin, Purple, Sabbath, Pink Floyd, Dylan, Leoanard Cohen, Neil Young, Aerosmith, Skynyrd, The Who, The Stones, all near the height of their powers. As if that wasn't bad enough you then had to put up with punk later in the decade.

Awful....just awful :)

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I'm not disagreeing with you (other than to point out the glaring omission of Bowie, of course, but I'll put that down to carelessness on your part), but I do have to point out that the Stones were well past their best in the 70s. Exile on Main St was - in point of fact - sh1te.

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Originally Posted by SWv2

Some absolutely superb music released in the 90s.

Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld, Dubnobasswithmyheadman, Leftism, Blue Lines, Maxinquaye, Screamadelica.

They are just the very obvious ones that most people will own.

Maybe not The Orb.

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Leftism, ffs

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of course, you left out Orbital II (the 'brown album') and Exit Planet Dust but, I'll let it go... ;-)

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I listened to this just the other day so you can apologise whenever you are ready.

:vsign:

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I'm not disagreeing with you (other than to point out the glaring omission of Bowie, of course, but I'll put that down to carelessness on your part), but I do have to point out that the Stones were well past their best in the 70s. Exile on Main St was - in point of fact - sh1te.

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Ok, Bowie should be in there. It wasnt an exhaustive list. I mean, I didnt even get to putin Wings or the Eagles :)

Exile onMain Street- and I want to be very clear about this, b- is not, in any way, ****. I simply will not have that, I'm sorry.

We are not far from 'formal apology' territory here....

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Leftism, ffs

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now, now, b. Your nescient approach to music is shining through brightly in this thread already...

You're only making it worse for yourself.