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Originally Posted by Peter

Is that how you interpret the Brexit vote? That young people dont care about democracy as much as their parents?

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I think it's a factor, certainly, but that wasn't my point. My point was that to have arrived at a situation where kids are allowed to grow up without a single fvcking clue about how lucky they are or why is terrifying.

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Originally Posted by Burney

I think it's a factor, certainly, but that wasn't my point. My point was that to have arrived at a situation where kids are allowed to grow up without a single fvcking clue about how lucky they are or why is terrifying.

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But the left would throw that exact same charge back at us. For example, in relation to gender equality, they'd say that we've grown complacent about the progress that's been made and that slipping back into the bad old days is a persistent threat, even if it doesn't feel like it.

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Originally Posted by Burney

I think it's a factor, certainly, but that wasn't my point. My point was that to have arrived at a situation where kids are allowed to grow up without a single fvcking clue about how lucky they are or why is terrifying.

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It really doesnt sound remotely terrifying. Just the standard cry of each generation about the next.

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Originally Posted by Peter

It really doesnt sound remotely terrifying. Just the standard cry of each generation about the next.

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Perhaps the terrifying bit is that there isn't or will be no next generation this time? That the next generation, such as it is, will in fact be all undesirable immigrant, redgunamo-types? Whither everyone's traditional way of life? Old maids bicycling to communion through the morning mists and a' that :-(

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Originally Posted by Monty92

But the left would throw that exact same charge back at us. For example, in relation to gender equality, they'd say that we've grown complacent about the progress that's been made and that slipping back into the bad old days is a persistent threat, even if it doesn't feel like it.

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But that simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny. The achievements of wimmin are being repeatedly shoved down our throats at every level of education, academia and media.
What the left is doing is simply applying the Marxist/Trotskyist principle of permanent revolution to the sphere of identity politics. The only way to maintain momentum and prevent backsliding is to be constantly demanding change - even where none is needed.

Meanwhile, of course, all this noise serves to mask the fact that the greatest actual threats to women's rights come from the left's advocacy of Islam and transgenderism.

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Originally Posted by Peter

It really doesnt sound remotely terrifying. Just the standard cry of each generation about the next.

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No. It's different because it's arse about face. The older generation is supposed to be the po-faced, narrow-minded, illiberal one. That's not the case anymore. Our younger generation seem to want less freedom, not more.

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Originally Posted by Burney

No. It's different because it's arse about face. The older generation is supposed to be the po-faced, narrow-minded, illiberal one. That's not the case anymore. Our younger generation seem to want less freedom, not more.

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As P suggests, all any younger generation seems to want is the freedom to escape the pernicious influence of their parents. Nobody ever said anything about parents yearning to escape the pernicious influence of their children :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Burney

No. It's different because it's arse about face. The older generation is supposed to be the po-faced, narrow-minded, illiberal one. That's not the case anymore. Our younger generation seem to want less freedom, not more.

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Right, but that is based on your definition of the horribly *******ised word 'freedom'. The younger generation, on campuses, want freedom from oppression, and from oppressive views. THey think we can only be free when we all agre that certain things (gays, women, gender, ethnicity, rape etc) have absolute truths and can only be discussed within those absolutes. THe freedom to be who you are (as long as it isnt a straight, white, english male). They are willing to accept a curtailment of your generation's old fashioned view of freedom of speech/thought/expression in order to create this 'free from judgement' utopia.

They are not campaigning to be less free. Its a new birth of freedom.

Its just the sort of bull**** people come out with when they are young. I used to make up all sorts of ****e about what I wanted when really it was just beer, fags, speed and acid.

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Originally Posted by Peter

Right, but that is based on your definition of the horribly *******ised word 'freedom'. The younger generation, on campuses, want freedom from oppression, and from oppressive views. THey think we can only be free when we all agre that certain things (gays, women, gender, ethnicity, rape etc) have absolute truths and can only be discussed within those absolutes. THe freedom to be who you are (as long as it isnt a straight, white, english male). They are willing to accept a curtailment of your generation's old fashioned view of freedom of speech/thought/expression in order to create this 'free from judgement' utopia.

They are not campaigning to be less free. Its a new birth of freedom.

Its just the sort of bull**** people come out with when they are young. I used to make up all sorts of ****e about what I wanted when really it was just beer, fags, speed and acid.

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Yes, but in those days we had adults who were prepared to tell us to shut up because we were clueless little cvnts. These days, the idiots are pandered to and encouraged in these ridicules notions by adults in positions of authority who really ought to know better.

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Originally Posted by Burney

Yes, but in those days we had adults who were prepared to tell us to shut up because we were clueless little cvnts. These days, the idiots are pandered to and encouraged in these ridicules notions by adults in positions of authority who really ought to know better.

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Yes, I know. And it is your job to be outraged by it.

Face it, b....you are as much a cliche as the gender free students standing for election as President of the SU on a platform of 'ridding the world of gender bias and hatred forever!'........

You shouldn't worry for the future of humanity because it isn't your concern and there is **** all you can do about it anyway. Let the young people have their day.

I blame rock n roll for inventing youth culture. THat is where the world went to ****.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Perhaps the terrifying bit is that there isn't or will be no next generation this time? That the next generation, such as it is, will in fact be all undesirable immigrant, redgunamo-types? Whither everyone's traditional way of life? Old maids bicycling to communion through the morning mists and a' that :-(

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This is what The Times THey Are A-Changing is all about. God, its like some of you werent even listening.....

Your old road is rapidly ageing, an all that....

Always listen to Bob... he knew his onions.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Perhaps the terrifying bit is that there isn't or will be no next generation this time? That the next generation, such as it is, will in fact be all undesirable immigrant, redgunamo-types? Whither everyone's traditional way of life? Old maids bicycling to communion through the morning mists and a' that :-(

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I'm drinking a warm beer right now, as it goes. #Major

Anyway, redgunamo types aren't undesirable.

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Originally Posted by Peter

Yes, I know. And it is your job to be outraged by it.

Face it, b....you are as much a cliche as the gender free students standing for election as President of the SU on a platform of 'ridding the world of gender bias and hatred forever!'........

You shouldn't worry for the future of humanity because it isn't your concern and there is **** all you can do about it anyway. Let the young people have their day.

I blame rock n roll for inventing youth culture. THat is where the world went to ****.

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There is some truth in that. Most of these little sh1tes would have been immensely improved by leaving school and 14 and being sent to a war.

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Originally Posted by Monty92

All I really believe that puts me on "their" side is that a lot of men should treat women better than they do. Of course, a lot of women should also treat men better than they do, and a lot of women should treat other women better than they do.

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I believe all that too, but I don't think a bit of gratuitious glamour hurts at all.

And I'm not silencing you, we are engaging in a healthy exchange of ideas. :-)

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Originally Posted by Ash

I'm drinking a warm beer right now, as it goes. #Major

Anyway, redgunamo types aren't undesirable.

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You're too kind, A. Too kind.

I only get ice cold beer nowadays :-( #Brexit

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Originally Posted by Burney

There is some truth in that. Most of these little sh1tes would have been immensely improved by leaving school and 14 and being sent to a war.

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When the 50s started pretty much all media, TV and social impulse was directed towards adults, or parents. Music on the radio was for your dad.

By the end of the 60s youth culture dominated everything. Imagining trying to parent all of that. ****ing nightmare! Obviously these days the idea that your kids would listen to different music to you and go out and take drugs and talk about politics seems perfectly natural. It must have been terrifying back then.

And now you cant even give them a thump when they play up. No wonder they act like a bunch of little ****ers.

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Originally Posted by Ash

I believe all that too, but I don't think a bit of gratuitious glamour hurts at all.

And I'm not silencing you, we are engaging in a healthy exchange of ideas. :-)

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There is nothing wrong with enjoying looking at tits. Nobody should ever have to apologise for this.

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Originally Posted by Peter

This is what The Times THey Are A-Changing is all about. God, its like some of you werent even listening.....

Your old road is rapidly ageing, an all that....

Always listen to Bob... he knew his onions.

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Of course I was listening. Why do you think I have half-a-dozen children :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Peter

There is nothing wrong with enjoying looking at tits. Nobody should ever have to apologise for this.

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Yes. Objections can arise when one attempts to do this for free though, I gather #InternationalWomenDay

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Originally Posted by Peter

When the 50s started pretty much all media, TV and social impulse was directed towards adults, or parents. Music on the radio was for your dad.

By the end of the 60s youth culture dominated everything. Imagining trying to parent all of that. ****ing nightmare! Obviously these days the idea that your kids would listen to different music to you and go out and take drugs and talk about politics seems perfectly natural. It must have been terrifying back then.

And now you cant even give them a thump when they play up. No wonder they act like a bunch of little ****ers.

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Trouble is, those adults had already lost all credibility because of The War. I mean, who is going to listen to, people whose beliefs and teachings and way of life had resulted in so much death and destruction.

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Originally Posted by Peter

When the 50s started pretty much all media, TV and social impulse was directed towards adults, or parents. Music on the radio was for your dad.

By the end of the 60s youth culture dominated everything. Imagining trying to parent all of that. ****ing nightmare! Obviously these days the idea that your kids would listen to different music to you and go out and take drugs and talk about politics seems perfectly natural. It must have been terrifying back then.

And now you cant even give them a thump when they play up. No wonder they act like a bunch of little ****ers.

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The lack of violence to which most young middle class people are exposed these days is also extremely problematic. How can any young animal possibly expect to understand its place in the hierarchy without the occasional battering? If you ask me, there are few more educational moments in life than being punched in the face.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Trouble is, those adults had already lost all credibility because of The War. I mean, who is going to listen to, people whose beliefs and teachings and way of life had resulted in so much death and destruction.

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Do you think? We were all in awe of our teachers who'd seen action. Even if the old buggers were useless in every other regard, the suggestion that they'd 'had a good war' meant they were afforded respect.

Mind you, I was at a proper school.

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Originally Posted by redgunamo

Yes. Objections can arise when one attempts to do this for free though, I gather #InternationalWomenDay

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Its our Women's Conference tomorrow. I have the office to myself, no irritating chatter, no queue for a cup of tea while they **** about taking ****ing ages just to make a ****ing cup of coffee.

Lovely :)

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Originally Posted by Burney

The lack of violence to which most young middle class people are exposed these days is also extremely problematic. How can any young animal possibly expect to understand its place in the hierarchy without the occasional battering? If you ask me, there are few more educational moments in life than being punched in the face.

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Hmmmmm... violence in the broader sense, yes. I vividly remember the first time a full back told me he was going to break my legs or a bowler told me the next few were all heading for my ears. I am not convinced that mindless violence taught me anything.

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Originally Posted by Peter

Hmmmmm... violence in the broader sense, yes. I vividly remember the first time a full back told me he was going to break my legs or a bowler told me the next few were all heading for my ears. I am not convinced that mindless violence taught me anything.

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Oh, but mindless violence is very rare. Most violence has a very specific social purpose.

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Originally Posted by Burney

Oh, but mindless violence is very rare. Most violence has a very specific social purpose.

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Like when a chap told me he was going to punch me in the face because he believed that my friend has let the kebab shop door close on him?

He was most confused when I responded by asking him to be moe specific with regard to the closing of the door.

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Originally Posted by Peter

Like when a chap told me he was going to punch me in the face because he believed that my friend has let the kebab shop door close on him?

He was most confused when I responded by asking him to be moe specific with regard to the closing of the door.

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Exactly so. He was simply attempting to assert his dominance.

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Originally Posted by Burney

Exactly so. He was simply attempting to assert his dominance.

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He told me he didnt like rock music but I think this was merely an excuse. It was Christmas Eve, he was ugly and poor and him an his mates wanted to punch some people they didnt like the look of.

I would say we fought them to a losing draw :)

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Originally Posted by Burney

Mind you, I was at a proper school.

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Hardly! If it left you with a practically unshakeable belief in the pre-eminence and efficacy of Women's Lib.

That's the thing, see; life is ultimately a results business.

Corbs has weighed in on the matter: "Early evening socialisation benefits men who don’t feel the need to be at home looking after their children, and it discriminates against women who will want to, obviously, look after the children that they have got."

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Originally Posted by Monty92

But the left would throw that exact same charge back at us. For example, in relation to gender equality, they'd say that we've grown complacent about the progress that's been made and that slipping back into the bad old days is a persistent threat, even if it doesn't feel like it.

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